[EC90T]

First off, many thanks to realshelby (Terry) for being so accomodating and making a great mod for the Vee:thumbup: I am so pleased with the outcome that I may have to ride to Texas just to buy Terry a beer!

I just got back from my 20mi test loop ride with one of realshelby's "werks" basket in my Vee. The difference is amazing to say the least. I was short shifting the bike like crazy keeping the revs below 4,000 rpm so I could feel the short comings in the basket like I had before. They simply weren't there. I was putting the bike in low rpm, high work-load situations just to see how much difference was present. The difference is staggering to say the least.

I also did the chudder test to see how much chudder was still present. The only vibes present were just what the engine makes. There were no secondary vibes present like before.

I also ran the bike in the upper revs going down the highway to see if anything more was present. Notta a bit. Again, the only vibes that were present were that of a liter class v-twin that is very well balanced and still makes good horsepower and torque.

While this won't make the Vee as smooth as a Wee, it comes very close! It has to be on par with putting a RDL seat on the bike for being the best mod yet to my Vee.

I just want to say that when I went for my test ride, I put it under the worst case scenario that I could. I rode in extemely thin sole shoes and the stock seat. I didn't want anything to interfear in the transmittal of the vibration. I'm also a rider that is near 300lbs geared up. I could no longer feel the vibes coming through the pegs and seat like was there before. The only vibration present was just the subtle power pulses from the engine. There was nothing obtrusive whatsoever present like before. I will have to learn how to ride this bike all over again. I found myself not downshifting like before when I came into a corner because the vibes weren't there when I rolled on the throttle exiting them. it reminded me of my old TDM850 with a bit more power on tap

I will put an open invite out for anyone that is in the Central Indiana area for a test ride. You simply can't fathom the difference this mod makes to a Vee with Chudder.

The reason why I posted this in a new thread instead of adding it to realshelby's chudder thread, is I don't want this to affect that thread incase of a heated debate. This is just a simple posting of my impressions, of my Vee, after installing a modified basket.

 

[ArcticEd]

The man sure seems to know of which he speaks.....

 

[happypuppy]

What's to debate? Sounds good to me!

 

[Illinois]

You simply can't fathom the difference this mod makes to a Vee with Chudder.

Just curious, what year is the Vee and how much mileage? :beatnik:

 

[EC90T]

You simply can't fathom the difference this mod makes to a Vee with Chudder.

Just curious, what year is the Vee and how much mileage? :beatnik:

2007 with 15K on the clock.

I went out and put another 200 miles on the bike this evening just to feelout every last little thing. My initial impressions were only reimphasized by what I was observing during this ride. The biggest difference is how smooth the bike is down low in the rev range. I was able to pull away from a stop light and be in 6th gear by 45mph and the bike still accelerated smoothly while going up a bit of an incline. I would have never dreamed of doing that before as the vibes would have been too unpleasant.

I'm sure that my gas mileage will definitely be over 50mpg this tank as it has 205 miles on this tank with two full bars still showing on the dash.

 

[richw]

Real Shelby

Please keep doing this next winter. I will be puling my basket after Thanksgiving

 

[EC90T]

Real Shelby

Please keep doing this next winter. I will be puling my basket after Thanksgiving

No need to wait until winter. It just takes about 1 1/2 hours to pull the basket and again that much time to put it back together. At most your bike will be down a week while the exchange takes place. Heck, I'd even lend you my manual so you could do it. It's a very easy thing to do. I didn't even have to remove a single body panel. I just used a clear tube on the end of my funnel to replenish the coolant.

I'm glad I didn't wait until winter to do this mod.

 

[richw]

Mine girl only has 6K so far last year left over. $6500

Slight chudder if the clutch feather is definitive and I am cheap and parcel out mods bit by bit

 

[Mulewright]

Alright, you have my attention now.... But.... spicificly what are you talking about?
I'm new arounf here and if I pick up correctly on this topic, this Mod (whatever it is...) helps eliminate the "Don't try to run it under 4K rpm" blues that I am experiencing now.
Yea, Buddy! kinda chaps my butt to have a 1k displacement bike that you have to operate like a 250 twin to keep it from (seemingly) shaking the bike to pieces.:headbang:
Details / guidance please folks....

 

[EC90T]

It's easy to diagnose chudder. Simply put the bike into a tall gear to keep the revs below 3,000 rpm and accelerate. Then slightly pull in on the clutch lever until the vibes subside, but not as far as it takes to cause slippage. This will give you the engine vibes and takeaway the secondary stuff coming from from the clutch basket. Once you "tune in" your senses to this secondary vibration, you be able to discerne the difference between the two. Chudder is most noticable between 3,300 rpm's and 3,800 rpms. Once you get over 4,00rpms the basket gets back into phase and smooths out.

Realshelby's clutch basket mod greatly reduces/eliminates this secondary vibration and makes the Vee enjoyable to ride at low rpms like a liter bike should. He has two different ways to treat this condition and you can discuss that solution with him.

 

[cbrxxcess]

How many of those 15000 miles did you put on the bike? I found that is the mileage when all the wheels fell off the cart on my basket. It was quite smooth up to that point then the vibes came on hard. Terry's "werks" basket was one of the best mods I have done. EC90T is right don't wait it really transforms the bike.

 

[Buster452]

I'm curious how the mod holds up past 15k miles. does it cure the chudder permanently or just as good as a new basket would?

 

[EC90T]

I bought my Vee in February with 11K on the clock. It had the chudder then, I just didn't know what it was. This bike wasn't ridden hard at all as the chain and sprockets are original and still like new. The brakes are still original and have lots of miles left in them (the only reason why I can't bring myself to change them out yet). Even the clutch fibers and steels looked as if they were new.

Realshelby has one customer with over 20K on just a shim modded basket and it is still performing like the day it was modded. I installed the "werks" basket and I expect for it to be a one time thing. I think realshelby has a pretty good understanding as to what is going on and his mods will stand the test of time.

Give this thread a read and you'll see what's going on http://www.stromtrooper.com/dl-1000-specific/53511-clutch-basket-mod-part-ii.html

 

[danketchpel]

I'm curious how the mod holds up past 15k miles. does it cure the chudder permanently or just as good as a new basket would?

With realshelby's current "full boat" mods, I don't see it changing at all as the miles rack up. The key design changes of adding the bearing and shims do not really wear out. The cush drive doesn't actually rotate on the bearing so there is virtually no wear, it simply centers it. With the extra post bushings and spring cup build up there is virtually zero movement of the cush drive against the basket.

The "new basket" approach wears out just as the original did because of the design flaws present.

I really expect the clutch mods to outlast the rider, even at 6 digit mileage numbers. The basket "fingers" will eventually wear like a normal clutch so at that point you might be looking at either resurface them, or starting over with a new basket and seeing if realshelby can pull your old reworked clutch apart and transfer the reusable parts to the new basket. This should be feasible, but you've obviously got some labor involved.

 

[richw]

I have had success with a file on many bikes simply by filing the pocket of the fingers out. Just smoothing and tapering the worn spots.

When I have clutch plates out i also smooth the round the area that presses on the outside. Minimally making sure the edges are not sharp so they can not "dig in" to the basket.
They usually seem to be a straight blanked product with no concern that they have to move against the basket.


Blah blah blah precision etc. Like I said when you take it out they have pockets were the outermost plates contact so careful filing is all to the good

 

[JET_V-Strom]

I'm curious how the mod holds up past 15k miles. does it cure the chudder permanently or just as good as a new basket would?

Better than a new basket. I know; I bought and installed one 3800 miles prior to replacing it with a Hinkle (RealShelby) basket. The stock replacement had already started deteriorating again by that time.

The Hinkle basket was noticably more effective than the stock replacement was when first installed. I now have about 5K miles on it, with no sign of the chudder problem returning.

James

 

[EC90T]

Two tanks full of gas later, I've learned how to ride my Vee that way I wanted to in the first place. I do a lot of commuting/two lane road riding below 65mph (GPS indicated) and I generally just like to short shift my bikes as they have more than enough acceleration to get away from a cage riding this way. I can now do this comfortably on my Vee and my MPG has gotten even better! I've hit the promise land of 50MPG + on my Vee:hurray:

Thank you so much Terry for such a wonderful mod:yesnod:

 

[kitesurfer]

you must be the only guy getting 50! haha read another thread and they're getting 30's. i really need to ride a vee and wee....

 

[EC90T]

you must be the only guy getting 50! haha read another thread and they're getting 30's. i really need to ride a vee and wee....

There are others getting the mileage that I'm getting. There is a big difference between riding one proper and being ham-fisted. It takes a different discipline to ride a Vee proper than a inline 4.

 

[cbrxxcess]

The wife and I both have vees until we hooked them to a yosh box we both saw 50mpg. Now it is at 45mpg. I may re flash mine back to stock. Mind you mine is with a 300# rider plus full gear with luggage on all the time.