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I know at least one of you is an MSF trainer, so I'm hoping I can find an answer to this here.

I am interested in taking the MSF course. My Dad also wants to take the course with me. I've never ridden, he hasn't ridden since 1994. I've been led to believe that if you take the course, the riding test at the end of the course will supplant the riding test that the DMV requires - you get a certificate from MSF that says you passed the riding test and you can get a license, then you don't have to take the riding test from the DMV also. Correct?

Second question. I live in Missouri, my Dad lives in Iowa. Do we have to take the course in our individual states for it to count for the riding test for both of us? I'd really like to take it with him, but I don't want to make either of us have to retake the riding test at the DMV. Is this a state-specific thing? Does anyone from Iowa or Missouri know if our states' DMV offices will take a certificate from the MSF course in another state?

Third question. Why is the cost of the MSF basic riders course $210 here in KC, but only $115 up in Iowa near where my Dad lives? Same course? What's with the price difference?

Thanks, folks. I'm taking the course and getting my license long before I'll be able to buy a bike. I just have the bike bug (it's a virus, you know) and I can't wait until I can afford a Strom to take the course and get my license. :) Thanks!
 

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The MSF is not a state or federal organization. Agreements between MSF course providers vary from state to state. Illinois increased motorcycle license fees to cover costs of education for example. The course at state supported facilities is just a $10 registration fee which is refunded upon course completion. The same course at private facilities in Illinois goes for over $100. You need to check with the program providers to see if the DMV accepts the course for licensing and how much they charge. I don't imagine one state can license an out of state participant for his home state.
 

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ERC ?

Dear Greywolf,

I want to take up the ERC, but the classes for the entire year are booked. Can I appear as the stand-in candidate for the ERC?

Also, can you please tell me the time by which I need to appear at the course location to get a chance.

I am 24, I ride a 04-650strom and got over 50K miles riding exp. I haven’t taken BRC or ERC so far.

Thx.
 

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I used to be MSF instructor and back then you had to take the BRC before being eligible for the ERC. You might want to check before showing up.

Additionally, in Texas, you had to own the bike you were going to take the ERC course on for six months prior to the course.
 

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A friend of mine took the ERC this past Saturday. They didn't mention anything about owning the bike for 6 mos. He never took the Basic course either. He was on a permit, and when he passed it was the same out come as the beginners class, he gets his licence.

The BRC and the ERC are free here in Pennsylvania. They are funded by the money generated from the permits, $10 each.
 

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Re: ERC ?

adv-biker said:
Dear Greywolf,

I want to take up the ERC, but the classes for the entire year are booked. Can I appear as the stand-in candidate for the ERC?

Also, can you please tell me the time by which I need to appear at the course location to get a chance.

I am 24, I ride a 04-650strom and got over 50K miles riding exp. I haven’t taken BRC or ERC so far.

Thx.
I haven't taught the class since 1981. You'll need to check with the location people.
 

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In a lot of states, if you take the MSF Basic Rider Course, this will meet the requirements to get a motorcycle endorsement added to your license. You can check with your DMV on this.

Taking the course in one state and having it valid for adding your endorsement in another state is a question for whoever is running the MSF program in your area.

We have a cross agreement here in Nebraska with Iowa. I don't know if Missouri has a similar agreement.

The difference in cost has to do with state subsidies which can vary greatly. Some states kick in a lot of money towards the classes while others kick in none. A lot of states are somewhere in between. Either way, your cost is whatever's left.
 

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WeeVgone said:
I used to be MSF instructor and back then you had to take the BRC before being eligible for the ERC. You might want to check before showing up.

Additionally, in Texas, you had to own the bike you were going to take the ERC course on for six months prior to the course.
This was not the case when I was an instructor- up until about 5 years ago. Around here ERC's are easy to get into- they hardly ever fill up.
 

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The BRC and the ERC are free here in Pennsylvania. They are funded by the money generated from the permits, $10 each.
Yup, it varies by state. Free here in PA. My son just passed his BRC yesterday, and passing it automatically gives you a PA motorcycle license endorsement - no need to take the state test.

- Tom
 

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Nobody asked, but since we're on the subject, I just took the BRC in KY. It's $100, and after passing it you do receive your MC endorsement on your license. However, you still have to take the 20 question multiple choice test for the permit, keep your permit for 30 days, then when it's time to get the license, you show them your MSF card and they grant you your license. In KY, the BRC is a pre-req for the ERC. So, in order to take the ERC, you must have completed a BRC, and have owned your bike for 6 months. I took the BRC with about 35,000 miles & 6 years experience -- I only wish I would've taken the course when I started riding instead of 6 years into riding.
 

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Make sure you take the MSF course whereever your permanent address is and where you would be getting your license from. Most states will not let you bring in the MSF card from another state and simply pass the riding portion. I found this out the hard way. :cry:

Contact your local DMV and they should be able to tell you if taking the MSF course will let you automatically pass or not.

In Missouri, taking the MSF course will let you automatically pass the riding portion. If you have any questions about the MO part, feel free to PM me and I'll answer them if I can.

Ride Safe,

Silviar
 

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I will be checking into a training course, I know it will make me a better rider and a safer rider.
 

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In VA, you have to take the written test, which you need to get the learner's permit. Then, show up at the DMV with your certificate, and you're golden.
 

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Our MSF school just instituted a new program, "Training for Life". In this program, any student that takes and completes the Basic Rider Course with the Florida Safety Council has a lifetime membership that enables them to come down and take any portion of the BRC any time they would like to for a refresher, no charge!

So, if you are interested, check us out . . . . Florida Safety Council.
 
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