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I bought a new 2019 650XT a month ago. At 650 miles, I took it to the dealership for the first service. I did not inspect it afterwards. I put another 350 miles on it.

This morning, I rode to work and noticed the Oil light came on. I looked in the oil window and there's no oil in there, at all. Like, not low. Otherwise, there doesn't appear to be any leaking. No oily residue around the plug... No other signs I can see.

Is burning oil a problem with this model?

All insights would are welcome.
 

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I assume you checked the oil with the bike vertical and not on the sidestand.
 

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Burning oil wouldn't account for that much drop in level. Odds are they under-filled it and it just happened to drop below the level the pump needs to suck oil.

Don't ride it with the light coming on. Add some oil before riding and talk to the dealership. Somebody goofed.

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Just keep in mind how to accurately check the oil level. The bike must be warm, then let it sit for 10ish minutes so it can all drain down to bottom, then look at the sight glass while it's upright.

And if you've just changed the oil filter you need to run the bike for a minute to fill the filter with oil, then remember to let the bike rest for a few before checking.
 

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Looks like another bad review from bringing it to the dealer.

They probably filled it 1/2 way with a new filter and it wasn't enough. Sure hope the oil light didn't stay on more than a minute or so.

How much did it cost?
 

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I assume you checked the oil with the bike vertical and not on the sidestand.
That is a common newbie mistake but if his light came on while he was riding there is a real problem.

I just had my first service done at the dealer .. I dont know .. I got them to throw it in with the bike and I kind of thought it might be important to do in case there were ever a warranty issue (yes I know its silly)

outside of that .. I dont usually let them touch my bikes. Oil change is a 10 minute affair and I like to change the filter at each oil change and I have a particular oil I am very fond of.

I am a little concerned because there is so much electronic stuff on this bike that I am unfamiliar with but I will continue to try and do everything myself.

The 650 vee seems to take an awful small amount of oil but most of these wet sump engines can survive a flashing oil light just with the oil that is sloshing around in there but I wouldn't ride it again until I topped it up and like big boy said .. Make sure its standing upright when you check the oil.

Bummer .. I am sure your heart sank .. be sure to tell the service manager. I wouldnt want to get anyone fired but someone needs a little reeducation.
 

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Is that an oil pressure light or oil level light?
Pressure. I don't think too many bikes (or cars) have oil level lights or gauges. I don't know why, because a low oil pressure light's warning comes a little later than is completely useful.

My BMW R1200RT has an oil level indicator on the dash - probably because they've hidden the sight glass in a place that is barely accessible.
 

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Please don't turn this into an oil thread!

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Please don't turn this into an oil thread. If you want to talk about brands of oil etc please do it in the oil thread.

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Just keep in mind how to accurately check the oil level. The bike must be warm, then let it sit for 10ish minutes so it can all drain down to bottom, then look at the sight glass while it's upright.
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No, the oil does not need to be warm. It doesn't hurt but there is no reason to have warm oil to check the level.

Changing the oil: yes Warm oil is best.
Checking the oil: Makes no matter.

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No, the oil does not need to be warm. It doesn't hurt but there is no reason to have warm oil to check the level.

Changing the oil: yes Warm oil is best.
Checking the oil: Makes no matter.

..Tom
Motor oil seems to change in volume quite a bit between room temperature and operating temperature, and the oil level with it. I'm not sure if it's intended to be checked cold or hot. On my BMW it's meant to be checked with the engine hot, apparently.
 

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Mod comment:

Please don't turn this into an oil thread. If you want to talk about brands of oil etc please do it in the oil thread.

..Tom
Your not allowed to mention that brand you use?! Jeez a little strict there Tom. I don't care who uses what. I only mentioned the brand as it relates to cost of an oil change when you change 4 qts.

Meh .. its your house your rules but over moderation sucks on all boards.
 

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Your not allowed to mention that brand you use?! Jeez a little strict there Tom. I don't care who uses what. I only mentioned the brand as it relates to cost of an oil change when you change 4 qts.

Meh .. its your house your rules but over moderation sucks on all boards.
Please don't throw over moderation at me. This board has very little moderation as it largely isn't needed. I don't make the rules but support and help enforce them. Your comment about your favourite oil isn't relevant and not worth turning this into an oil thread. (BTW other mods here generally delete threads that turn into an oil thread. I usually merge the thread into the oil thread.)


When one person starts talking about their favourite brand of oil the next thing everyone else does. It isn't needed or relevant in this thread but feel free to talk about your favourite oil in the Oil thread.

Here is the link to help you along:

https://www.stromtrooper.com/general-v-strom-discussion/24347-big-oil-thread-only-oil-thread.html

..Tom
 

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Motor oil seems to change in volume quite a bit between room temperature and operating temperature, and the oil level with it. I'm not sure if it's intended to be checked cold or hot. On my BMW it's meant to be checked with the engine hot, apparently.
I just did a quick Google check and it looks like the difference in Volume between 15°c and 100°c is about 6.5%, at least for Fuel oil which I suspect is similar. (15°c is 59°f and 100°c is 212°f and is typical oil temperature for a running engine.)

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/fuel-oil-density-temperature-gravity-volume-correction-ASTM-D1250-d_1942.html

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Every owner's manual I've read (both cars and bikes) says check the level when it's hot.

Looks like Suzuki wants it warmed for 3 minutes...

Thanks for pointing that out! I stand corrected! Although in 3 minutes oil would barely get warmed. I have a feeling this is introducing greater error in the oil level reading and is bad advice just like the torque for rear axle.

(Thankfully my Stroms haven't run out of oil over the last 535,000 km / 332,000 miles of riding. )

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Three minutes may not get the oil to maximum temperature, but should get hot enough expand some. Thats probably why the manual says "between the L and F mark". Allow for a bit more expansion if its going to happen.
In any case, the 650 takes 2.7 liters w/filter, so I just put that much in and go for it. (Yes, I have double checked in the sight glass, and that comes to exactly on the F mark.)

But to the point of the original post, something was done wrong at the shop. I would request a complete check, including compression test and oil pressure test, at the shops expense.
 

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Yeah, sorry to hear this. This experience needs to become part of the dealer's service records of your bike in case there is a problem later. Suzuki needs to hear about it, too. The service manual shows the range of normal oil pressure at 29-87 psi @ 3000RPM and 140 degrees F. That's a big range, but within legendary Smokey Yunick's theoretical 10psi at idle + 10psi for each 1000RPM. There's a good chance you're OK. It does need to be drained and accurately measured to see how much they (obviously) left out. The difference between the quantity for oil change (2.5 qts) and oil and filter change (2.7 qts) is less than 10%, probably not enough to trigger the pressure light unless the bike is leaned over. If my logic is wrong here please correct me. Maybe RealShelby will jump in here.

So, I'd measure the amount of oil it takes to bring the level to the normal level and document it on camera. Then I'd raise all unholy hell, but not worry too much just yet. I'm sorry to hear another dealer has joined the suspect list, at the expense of a rider who was just trying to do the right thing. Best, DD
 
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