Ha. Sorry for the confusion / I was trying to keep it short.There are a lot of words above that are confusing to me. Let me see if I have this correct.....
Point 1 - dividing our ranks. Is your point we should not bash the cruiser guys making noise because there is power in numbers and everybody is against motorcycles (or at least ambivalent). Well, I equally dislike loud pipes, irrespective of bike brand. Put a loud pipe on a Super Tenere and you reach douche baggism in my mind.
Point 2 - this is even grayer to me. Are we adding to the stigma on motorcyclists, when we stand up and criticize when we disagree with what a fellow rider is doing?
I should have taken the time to expand my "not defending bad behavior". I hate the use of loud for loud's sake pipes as much as anyone. Somewhere on the forum I even called out the pipes branded "4 Inch Neighbor Haters". Seriously, that is what they are named.
- Point 1 was was referencing a member's comment (and one that I have also made from time to time) about motorcycles being banned. I do believe that we need to realize that we have moved way beyond criticism and landed on hate, bashing and even being encouraged to at least think about vandalizing people's bikes. I'm pretty sure that's what the coffee cup emoji stands for. You've got to admit that even a reasonable guy like yourself uses the term "douche baggism" with dripping disdain. I know who you mean and I agree. Yet we all have saddlebags we just reserve the term Panniers for ourselves and maybe some Gold Wings if they are ATGATT.
- Point 2 - "Are we adding to the stigma on motorcyclists, when we stand up and criticize when we disagree with what a fellow rider is doing?" Not if you consider them a fellow rider. And that was not my point at all and not anything I said. I led with the fact that we self-stigmatize. We do. And I don't care that we do. Until we get to the point of not even walking across the parking lot to say hello to a fellow rider because he or she isn't one of us. I think you know what I mean. I just hope that when the chit hits the fan... we understand that piety in small circles won't do chit.
- Let me add that if you look what the bicycle community has accomplished in terms of legislation and tax money spent ... it is very impressive. And I'm sure that they have forum threads that are critical of the hot shots who blow through stop signs. And yet they had the media pressed to their lips while in cities (San Francisco) once a month, on Fridays, they would gather in mass and block the commute traffic _ just to do it.