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hey guys I currently ride a 2017 Yamaha FZ-09. I redid the suspension and all sorts of performance mods. The bike handles great but I'm afraid I have gotten bitten by the Touring bug!
I have started going on longer epic rides (800 miles or so) on the weekends. I really feel this is where it's at. I love exploring and finding new roads. My FZ definitely isn't built for that with
the small gas tank and lack of wind protection. It's extremely fatiguing to ride a naked bike for long periods of time on open roads with full wind blasts. My budget is around $13-15,000
Most of my friends ride Multistradas and swear by them. They say the bikes handle extremely well because of the electronic suspension and have tons of power. I'm just a little worried about the
maintenance costs on them and if anything breaks out in the middle of no where you are screwed. I started looking at VStroms because they seem to be pretty fun and handle well. I love
twisty roads / long sweepers. I was wondering if these bikes ( the new ones ) handle pretty well and feel planted in the corners? Is the suspension pretty soft and not confidence inspiring?
Will I need to modify the suspension? I weigh about 185 pounds and I'm not Valentino rossi or anything but definiely want something that handles well.

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2018 xt 1000 adv tested and good reviews, 2019 is out now ND COUPLE OF FORUM MEBERS ALREADY BOUGHT.they are supposed to be betetr than 2018 , and within your budget.
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The Wee is a good'un for long distances. The 1000 should be equal.
What happened to 6 plus gallon tanks who knows? Nothing more bothersome that stopping for fuel on a trip.
 

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Perhaps in your case 1000 2018 and up will be good choice. Good power and torque, very good suspension, brakes and even cornering ABS.
 

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Last year I was after riding with a group of folks in in the mid-Atlantic states (lots of mountain twisties) I found the DL650 was not what I wanted. It kept up in the tight technical stuff but hit an incline or straight and folks on bigger bikes would walk away from me. It was also work to get it to go where you wanted.

I have a buddy that has 6 or 7 hundred thousand miles on BMW so I finally decided to give a R1200GS a try. I didn't want new and found a like new 2006 with 11,174 miles, fresh dealer service full luggage and new tires for $7,000. I brought it home and have been completely smitten with it. Since 2008 I have owned a bunch of different motorcycles 13 Guzzi's, 4 Ducati's, 1 Royal Enfield, and a bunch of the Asian Big 4 and the BMW tops them all.

Comfortable, great ergo's, 100 HP, good factory suspension, great brakes and decent fuel range.

I liked it so much 3 or 4 weeks ago I sold my last 2 Guzzi's and bought another 2007 R1200GS for what will end up costing me about $4,200 w/ Ohlins suspension and full luggage.

Interestingly enough I just got back from riding with the same group of folks in the same area and the GS was amazing. The DL when riding these same roads felt like you really had to push and work the bike to get it to do what you wanted. The GS is just look through the turn and it goes. No forcing, no drama. Guy were asking me what I though about the GS compared to the DL and my response is the GS is easily 10X easier to ride.

The GS even the new ones are no rocket ships on top end. But in capable hands they can be ridden extremely fast through very technical stuff and with no drama.

A buddy of mine tours on a FZ09 and they are really nice light bikes but I also understand you wanting some more fuel capacity, wind protection and once you to long travel suspension it hard to go back. I'll take 3rd rate LT suspension over high end short stroke suspension.
 

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Thanks for the replies. I'm kind of hesitant on getting a BMW or a Ducati. So with the 2018+ models the suspension is pretty good and the power? I dont want to go crazy fast speeds just want something with enough power to not chug up mountain passes with. Hopefully I can find
a dealer that will let me test ride one! It looks like the vstrom comes with fully adjustable suspension. Anyone ridden a vstrom 1000 (newer ones) and also ridden a GS or Multistrada? I don't need like track ready suspension full Ohlins but something that will give me plenty
of confidence , feeling of being planted and holding lines in corners
 

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2018 xt 1000 adv tested and good reviews, 2019 is out now ND COUPLE OF FORUM MEBERS ALREADY BOUGHT.they are supposed to be betetr than 2018 , and within your budget.
Good luck
Ride safe/Ride safe
what is better about the 2019?
 

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I've got a 2014 Vstrom 1000 and recently went on a tour in Europe where I rented a Multistrada 950. The ergos, power, braking and suspension are very similar. I liked the Multi but didn't like it any better than my 1000 (ok, I prefer the looks of the Multi over the Vstrom). The 950 is supposed to have a few more hp than the Vstrom 1000, but I really didn't notice it. I haven't tried the bigger Multistrada but that one has more hp than I need.
Try out one of the newer Vstrom 1000s - it may be just what you are looking for.
 

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Ohlins are nice but not a necessity. One of my R1200GS's has them the other retains the stock suspension. Granted the Ohlins were not built for my weight (way under sprung) riding style but sill perform nicely. Just not $2,000 or $2,500 more nicely than the stockers. Also I am running pre ESA stock shocks. The ESA shocks are supposed to be very nice being electronically adjustable.

You have a very nice budget to work with and it opens you up access to lots of choices especially if you go gently used. I'd caution you against the pitfalls of buying a new for lack of better term "lower spec" motorcycle because of the low cost of entry then thinking you can make up the deficiencies with farkles. In the end you'll end up spending as much or more than buying higher spec and still maybe lack performance in some areas.
 

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Yeah thats the same road I went down with my FZ09. bought it for 8k then threw another $4000 at it to transform it into a higher performing bike. stabilizer , suspension , full exhaust etc. I'm looking at Used Multistrada 1200S , GS 1200 GS , or a new Vstrom 1000. I'm not sure which to get but i am worried about the maintenance costs of the euro bikes. They all seem fairly reliable though. I know for a fact the vstrom is bulletproof. The fully adjustable suspension seems nice I just hope its firm enough for my weight (190 pounds) . I just wish it had cruise control! Seems like a great bike
 

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Yeah thats the same road I went down with my FZ09. bought it for 8k then threw another $4000 at it to transform it into a higher performing bike. stabilizer , suspension , full exhaust etc. I'm looking at Used Multistrada 1200S , GS 1200 GS , or a new Vstrom 1000. I'm not sure which to get but i am worried about the maintenance costs of the euro bikes. They all seem fairly reliable though. I know for a fact the vstrom is bulletproof. The fully adjustable suspension seems nice I just hope its firm enough for my weight (190 pounds) . I just wish it had cruise control! Seems like a great bike
The cost of maintenance of various brands had been discussed many time on here. The general consensus is if you rely on the dealership to do all maintenance it is very expensive no matter the brand. If you rely on your dealer to do only major service the cost between brands is not excessively different. If you do the all you own work and do not rely on the dealer then dealer costs are moot.

Cruise would be nice but I've found that having plenty of extra electrical capacity to run heated grips, jackets, pants, seats, lights etc all at the saem time is far more important as it extendeds my riding to 365 days a year. This is another area the BMW shines as they have a huge automotive style alternator that puts out out enough extra electrical power to run a small city. My DL650 when running low speed through town or sitting idle at a redlight would consume more electric than it put out. Even running at speed with heated grips and a jacket that's about all I could run and still be on the positive side of charging.
 

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The only way you will know is to ride one, I have a '12 650 and '14 1000 in my garage right now, stop by, we'll go for a ride through the river valleys, over the coastal mountains, to the coast, and trade bikes on the way back.
Seriously , I've let several guys ride my bikes, one guy at work, near my age had a Gold Wing, with a long inclined driveway and sharp turns ending in a gravel parking area. They are comfortable capable awesome bikes, but weigh about as much as a small Honda sedan.. He rode my 650 and loved it. Givi V35 side bags, Givi B47 top box, heated grips, aftermarket seat, and 250 mile range. I do 4,000 mile trips every summer, and for about $10K new with accessories, I've been very happy with it.
As nice as that bike is, having owned an older version of the 1000 Vee, I missed that extra power, so I recently picked up the 2014 1000. It goes beyond the motor, with better brakes, suspension, and more planted stable ride. It also sits a bit taller, which I appreciate, it just seems like more bike all round.
2012 was the year Suzuki did a complete remodel on the 650, ABS, trip computer, gear indicator, new dash, motor refinements, new styling.
2014 Suzuki did the same with the 1000, huge motor refinement, trip computer ABS, TC, new style, etc.
You don't live in Oregon do ya ? , I'm going for a ride later this morning, stopping at the Suzuki dealer in Grants Pass, heading for the coast through the redwoods, riding north on Hwy 101 then home on a 400 mile loop....

They also increased the stator output on the '14 Vee, to 490 watts, leaving about 270 -300 available for accessories.
The DL650 was always a little light on electrical output, I could run heated grips and a vest together, but that was about it. If my wife was along, she got the vest, I bundled up.
You really want to ride both bikes, they are very different, beyond just the extra 350 CC motor size.
 

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There is no general consensus on cost of ownership.

However, there are 2 factors to consider.

1) Who does routine maintenance, you or the dealer.
2) Which bikes have a well documented history of expensive repairs.

Some of us buy what excites us. Some of us want a drama free experience.

If you want to get a pretty good idea of what costs are involved, go to a site like ADVRider, where all brands are represented. Drill down to the bike specific forums and read up. All your questions will be answered if you put some time in.

To me it is interesting to see which owners have just 1 bike versus multiple bikes. How many miles they log on a bike. How long they keep it.

Cruise is nice, so is electrical capacity. I insist on both of them.
 

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Ohlins are nice but not a necessity. One of my R1200GS's has them the other retains the stock suspension. Granted the Ohlins were not built for my weight (way under sprung) riding style but sill perform nicely. Just not $2,000 or $2,500 more nicely than the stockers. Also I am running pre ESA stock shocks. The ESA shocks are supposed to be very nice being electronically adjustable.

You have a very nice budget to work with and it opens you up access to lots of choices especially if you go gently used. I'd caution you against the pitfalls of buying a new for lack of better term "lower spec" motorcycle because of the low cost of entry then thinking you can make up the deficiencies with farkles. In the end you'll end up spending as much or more than buying higher spec and still maybe lack performance in some areas.
Ain't that the truth.

I bought my dl650 for touring and have been doing that for 3-4 years and it does that very well, but I don't try to keep up with a group (very BAD idea)
 

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Just look around at all your options. The Strom is a good bike with excellent aftermarket support, which sets it apart. However, given the price creep and lack of real innovation, or substantive changes that address known deficiencies, I would check out other models from other Mfrs.
 

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I think I might buy one just because this community is so amazing! You guys are awesome. I wish I did live in Oregon so I could test it out. Ya'll are very kind people. I work on cars for a living and have a lot of tools. I dont mind doing basic stuff like
oil changes , chain maintenance but everything else i would rather give it to a dealer. I always like to buy extended warranties and would feel more comfortable with them doing the valve jobs / plugs for warranty purposes. I definitely can't afford
a new Ducati Multistrada and I'm pretty sure on a used one an extended warranty would be $2000 including wheels and tires. I feel like the vstrom is a solid next step. I started with a Ninja 300 and now a FZ09. I now realize what kind of
bike riding I like to do and that's long distance touring "exploring" our beautiful country. the vstrom seems to get praises from everyone so it's probably a safe bet. I will probably be trading my FZ09 on one because I can only afford one bike. I guess I will
ride the strom for a couple years , pay it off and see where I stand. That way I can really feel what something next I might want out of a bike. At that point I can use the strom to trade in on a more expensive bike. Looking forward to being apart of this forum
and sharing more stories , experiences with you. Keep the replies coming ya'll are fantastic.
 

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So many of the sportier bikes now have little or no wind protection. I wanted to like the FZ-09, until I saw the FJ-09. I'm considering a Versys 650 to replace my aged 06 WeeStrom. On a trip to the local Kawi dealer, I got weak in the knees when I saw the Versys 1000. Yeeeowza! Great reviews too. But even a used one was too expensive for my budget, dammit!
 
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