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Today on the 101 I was riding and saw a lane splitter almost get hit by a Jaguar that changes lanes without looking and without indicating.

The motorcyclist was needlessly lane splitting as the traffic was going at about 45/50mph, so not much to gain lane splitting.

He also stayed in a lane splitting position despite having heaps of room in a clear lane to his right. He also made the mistake of continuing to lane split under an overpass where he was hidden by the shade while the driver that was infront of him had just transitioned from full shade to direct sunlight.

I caught it with my 4 camera setup. 3 cameras saw it. It's interesting because the 3 cameras tell the whole situation more clearly.

The car driver was a total ass. Turned quickly without indicating or looking despite the cars infront in his lane slowing quite quickly.

The Motorcyclist was also wearing a stuffed backpack. Even a minor fall with a stuffed backpack can be terrible for the neck. Land flat on your back and it's devastating whiplash.

And that was just one of two close calls.
On a surface street I was squeezed by a mini van that invaded my lane.
What is worse nothing would stop her and I had a car right up behind me.

Another bit of fun and games .... a lady merging onto the freeway with no indicator and cars infront of her still merging.... she merges ... straight over two lanes cutting of several cars...... all while putting lipstick on.

The next gem was a Hollywood tour bus stopped in lane on a curve to show the passengers the view. Road has one lane in each direction and double yellow line. Almost hit by a big contractors truck that came around the curve, but he had to evade by passing..... I had to trim the hedge to my right:furious: Stupid tour bus (no roof van) driver.
The tour van passengers were pissed when they realized they were sitting ducks!

I'm planting a camera there for a day next week to see how often they stop there. There are many view points on that road that are perfectly safe.
 

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We really are invisible on our bikes , and they really are trying to kill us . And when they do , they'll get off with a small traffic ticket fine .

You have 3 cameras on your bike ?

Alex .
 

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I've seen lane splitting video where vehicles will purposely move over so that a bike can't get thru, others have over-sized mirrors that stick out too far and are used as a block ( weapon in my mind ).

If only the cagers would understand the benefits to everybody about lane splitting. Then again there are some Riders out there who need to learn how to share the road and not be a squid.
 

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Why was he splitting between traffic going at 50 MPH? That's insane. Lane splitting should be performed to get ahead of very slow or stopped traffic, not to filter through normal-moving traffic.

Here's a page from the official California Motorcycle Handbook distributed by the local DMV.

 

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Why was he splitting between traffic going at 50 MPH? That's insane. Lane splitting should be performed to get ahead of very slow or stopped traffic, not to filter through normal-moving traffic.

Here's a page from the official California Motorcycle Handbook distributed by the local DMV.

You are absolutely correct.

Even just using some simple math and really basic safety logic.

IF traffic is already going at 50mph even if you lane sprit the time gained is really not significant at all as you can't go much faster anyway.

However when cars are almost at a stand still the .... say 10mph and you lane split at 20 mph you are actually making a significant gain in travel time.

That said it still may not be worth the risk.

I have a friend that used to lane spit pretty much all the way to work.

His commute was still about 50 minutes. I convinced him to ride for a week lane splitting only when traffic was under 20mph (not even the suggested 30 mph).

It only took him 5 more minutes to get to work.

He no longer lane splits with traffic going over 20 mph.
 

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We really are invisible on our bikes , and they really are trying to kill us . And when they do , they'll get off with a small traffic ticket fine .

You have 3 cameras on your bike ?

Alex .

I have 4 cameras total.

Two on my helmet.... front and back.

Two on my bike pointing out to the sides.

They are very efficient low profile Mobius cameras.
 

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I lane split to about 20 MPH (traffic flow). As a cager my drive commute from SF to Walnut Creek during rush hour was 75-90 minutes primarily due to the crush getting on the Bay bridge and traffic at the tunnel. Mostly I ride in my lane, and never split on the bridge. I split on Hwy 24 (except through the tunnel) where there are wide lanes and only when traffic is at 20mph. My commute door to door is about 37-40 minutes now and I move over into a lane to let all fast white-liners sail by. I'm saving enough time already without taking a higher risk.
 

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I'll split up to the point I'm going 40 (traffic going 35) then I'll slide back into traffic. It's a personal choice on the speed. The California "guidelines" were retracted months ago.
 

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I'll split up to the point I'm going 40 (traffic going 35) then I'll slide back into traffic. It's a personal choice on the speed. The California "guidelines" were retracted months ago.
Is it really worth lane splitting if your doing 40mph and the traffic is doing 35mph
.... the gain is only marginal. Your actually only going 12.5 % faster.

One hour of continuous splitting at 40mph with cars at 35mph would only put you 5 minutes in front of the first car you passed. That car would only be 7 minutes behind you.

On the other hand lane splitting with cars doing 10mph, but the bike zipping by at a moderate 20 mph would get a rider twice as far in an hour a long time ahead of the first car passed.

So really as traffic speed picks up there is a diminishing return when lane splitting.
 

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I agree with downs and FredBGG that lane splitting much above 30 or so gains you little time and dramatically increases the risks - you just don't have the reaction time at that speed.
 

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I was in France a while back and lane splitting was everywhere and I didn't see one accident but true I was only there week. Seems to make sense in denser areas, not traveling 50 mph.
 

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I was in France a while back and lane splitting was everywhere and I didn't see one accident but true I was only there week. Seems to make sense in denser areas, not traveling 50 mph.
I've seen horrible accidents in France. main problem was that unlike in Italy it is legal to pass on the right on Freeways and there are idiots on bikes and cars that pass at really high speeds.

However drivers in France are definitely more "on top of it" and not the typical Los Angeles idiot driver doing makeup while on the cell phone while doing a good imitation of a drunk driver.
 

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I'm still relatively new to lane splitting, but I agree it makes a big difference on my commute on the 163 if I lane split just when traffic drops below 20 mph. There are only a few spots of congestion, but it takes my ride home from 45 mins to less than 30. Mostly because the areas of congestion are near to totally stopped. Still can be quite the hair raising experience. Last week I had a lady start screaming at me that I should wait in line just like everyone else.
 

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I've probably seen you on the commute before. I commute via the 52 from Lakeside and then usually take the 15 north to Miramar. Sometimes I'll take the 163 to the 52 or if I'm going to REI or something.
 

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Last week I had a lady start screaming at me that I should wait in line just like everyone else.
People pull out deliberately at time to cut you off or squeeze you to a stop.

It gets even worse when they veer out of lane because they are scrolling tweets on their cell phone.
 

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I'm still relatively new to lane splitting, but I agree it makes a big difference on my commute on the 163 if I lane split just when traffic drops below 20 mph. There are only a few spots of congestion, but it takes my ride home from 45 mins to less than 30. Mostly because the areas of congestion are near to totally stopped. Still can be quite the hair raising experience. Last week I had a lady start screaming at me that I should wait in line just like everyone else.
Ha! I had one of those last summer, blocked me off then started screaming. Waited for the next available gap and went around her . . . nutters everywhere.

I still think the most dangerous aren't the ones who try to block you but instead the inattentive ones who don't even notice until they've rolled over you.
 
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