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Next week I'm heading for Nova Scotia for 9 days 2up, and camping.

I've got the bike and gear sorted out on many camping trips over the last year.

I've recently found I can save a lot of space with compression bags for my sleeping gear, tent, and clothing.

I've purchased good gear for my wife and myself, we have FirstGear Trekker jackets and HT2.0 overpants, Oxtar Matrix II boots, and good hard knuckled gloves.

Generally I can fit all of the camping and normal clothing in the side cases (two Givi E36), leaving the E45 topcase for dry and warm gear as well as travel items. If it's real warm (>75) both pairs of overpants do fit inside the E45 topcase, nearly filling it.

At home I've found that my touring jacket has about a 85F limit before it's nearly intolerable. I bought a convertible mesh jacket for higher temperatures, and I've worn it on weekend trips, but it doesn't work well when it rains or gets colder than 55F. I would much rather have my touring jacket on this longer trip. I also have not duplicated the mesh jacket purchase for my wife yet.

So that brings up the problem of what to do with two jackets if it gets hotter than 85F on my trip? Normally I'm a fan of ATGATT, but I do have my limits. That limit for the touring jacket is around 85F. I have tried wet shirts or neck coolers and they help in the 80-85F range. And BTW at 85F the jacket is already opened up fully and I have some sort of cold wet thing around my neck. Yes I know I'm a hot weather wimp, that's why I live in New England and I'm going to Nova Scotia and not Florida!

Hopefully the weather will not turn even hotter than the 80F it currently is now, and I'll not ever need to shed the jackets. But it would be nice to not have to come up with a solution during the trip, or worse to come up with a solution that ALMOST works.

I do carry strong twine and cinch straps under the seat. Once on my DRZ I managed to stuff one of these jackets into a medium sized backpack, but that's not really an option 2up with a topbox (and it only gets rid of one jacket).

Does anybody have a creative solution to attaching TWO touring jackets to a touring Strom that already has two passengers and three Givi boxes? Assume I'm a normal Strom owner not overly concerned with looks or getting something dirty or slightly scratched.:rolleyes:

I can't be the only one who's had this problem.
 

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After many many years of travel out west in temps from 28 F to 100 F, last year it was on the same trip, I found my best combo yet. I wore a First Gear Mesh Tech jacket with Joe Rocket liner. Liner is water proof and is much warmer than the Mesh Tech liner. When it got real cold I put on the Gerbings electric liner and was toasty. Just three pieces for the top and wore the mesh jacket all the time and the other two fold up real flat and it covered all the bases. I did take a plastic rain jacket but it only got used one time in Idaho when it was 31 degrees and freezing rain.

For the bottom I wore First Gear Mesh Overpants with liner. I bought them one size smaller than I needed for overpants because I didn't wear anything under them(except underwear) :). If it got below 55 or so I would put the liner in.

Wore the same boots you got and was good to go in any weather.

I was gone for three weeks and only had liners, rain jacket, and Gerbings to pack. If I hadn't run into heavy and freezing rain I wouldn't have neede the rain jacket. If I lust had to run through a light or spotty rain the liner would do fine. Been doing these trips out there for 30 years and it was the first time I came home and said I had all the right stuff.
 

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Rode through some of Labrador and around the Gaspe coast then down across New Brunswick and Nova Scotia last month in a Rallye 2 Pro suit and it was pretty much perfect for that climate, but it's an expensive solution and has "BMW" written all over it (which seems to start a lot of conversations).
 

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I've thought about this a lot, Rob, and I'm bringing the Kiliminjaro jacket rather than the mesh. I've worn it up to 90.

Chances of it being 85 degrees for more than a few hours where we're going are slight. I hate the hot weather as much as you do, and even though I'm a pack rat, two jackets is too much for me to take -- never mind the four you'd need!
 

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How about sticking the jackets into dry bags and strapping to the tops of the side cases? You didn't say that you already had things strapped to these cases yet. You can buy dry bags which will hold your jackets for less than $20 a piece and then use some flat straps to secure them to the tops of the cases. They can also make nice armrests for your passenger! I have traveled many miles this way.

Of course, the best ultimate solution is to bring one jacket and dress in layers. One summer weight jacket, Gore-tex outer layer for rain and/or cold, and electric vests or warm fleece for the really cold stuff.

But I would imagine that if you are leaving in a week, you don't want to buy a bunch of extra stuff at this point...

Here is a picture of my Transalp all loaded up in Austria:

 

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To free up some of your storage space when it gets hot, why not go the other way with your pants? In hot weather I just wear my overpants over riding shorts, then I still have some armor protection. Sounds like you instead stash the bulky overpants and just wear jeans?

Also, since you already have mesh convertible jackets maybe just wear them on the trip and when it gets really cold and/or rainy just put on your rainsuit as an over-layer. It will cut the wind and keep you much warmer. Rainsuits pack much smaller than stashing your jackets, and again you'll still have some armor protection instead of bare arms in hot weather. Both my wife and I have mesh jackets now, one of the best gear purchases I've made, ride comfortably in hot weather.

My wife and I have ridden through Nova Scotia a couple of times, beautiful place but it did get cold and wet even in August.
 

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+1 on the dry bags lashed to sides. Udsed this method a couple of times. Only addition would be to buy a good quality, heavy duty dry bag such as the type used by canoeists - not only do they last much longer under hard use (I've had mine over 20 years) but because they are so strong you can really compress them down a fair bit without seam damage.

Although I don't have real workld experience in using panniers yet - I just added a set to my Wee -FAMSA tank bag and panniers - for my upcoming BC trip an month end. Gives an extra 18 litres storage with the panniers on the side and with some reaarangement looks like can carry same amount of stuff more organized. It's nice too that this arrangement puts the weight lower and between the wheels.

Safe Riding

Bob
 

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I have a closet full of motorcycle jackets and pants that when I bought them, I thought they would be perfect.......But I've finally found the "holy grail"

I've been using a combination of the Teknic spider jacket, first gear mess pants, and Honda brand rain pants for three years now. Two cross country trips, my Alaska trip and dozens of other trips. nearly 60k miles with this gear.

The Spider jacket is a two piece afair, mesh inside with a waterproof exterior cover. Zips on and off in seconds, 100% watertight, 3/4 length so the wind doesn't get under it like my 1st gear kilamanjaro, lots of good quality protection. Simply can't be beat.......But hurry, they are discontinued.....

Mesh pants from 40 degrees up, Honda rain pants on top if the weather is below 65, and a set of long johns if the temps really turn low. I use a Gerbings electric liner under the Spider on cold mornings or during the late fall, early spring.

This system has been fantastic, easy to pack, and quick to change from one system to the other. The Spider cover is simply rolled up and stuffed in a painer or tied under a tiedown strap.

http://www.extragear1.com/get_item_721032_teknic-spider-motorcycle-jacket.htm
 

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The Spider jacket is a two piece afair, mesh inside with a waterproof exterior cover. Zips on and off in seconds, 100% watertight, 3/4 length so the wind doesn't get under it like my 1st gear kilamanjaro, lots of good quality protection.
Hmmm, Kiliminjaro version 1, 2, 3, or 4? I've got 2 and 4 and both are 3/4 length... and their tall sizes are extra long.

And like you, I have a closet full of gear I thought would be perfect. So far, the K-jacket v.4 comes closest for me. I really have to sell some of this stuff...
 

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Two words: Aerostich Darien.

I've worn that jacket in 30 degrees and 105 degrees. The former with the liner in place and all vents closed, the latter with the liner stuffed into my side case (Givi E21) and all vents open. I didn't even wet down my t-shirt underneath, although that would have made it even more comfortable.

I can't describe just how impressed I am with the Darien's versatility. It's an expensive jacket to purchase but worth every penny. I spent $99 for a Joe Rocket Balistic, on sale, and it was a waste of money.
 

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Thanks for all the ideas. Hopefully I won't need them.

I think the correct solution is to buy my wife a convertible mesh jacket (as I only own 1 at this time) and then take a rain jackets to cover them. That seems to be the best advice from the posts so far. Unfortunately I've run out of time and don't want to be spending any more money before this trip. I've been very happy with the performance of my First Gear Trekker jacket in wet and cold weather down to 30F and up to about 85F. So this late in the game I really want to be using these jackets that we already own two of. I'm also not convinced the one Joe Rocket convertible jacket I own is the best choice. In my tests it's good from say 50F to 90F and not great in rain. I'm hoping to wait until somebody makes a GREAT one and buy a his and her pair. I too have now purchased 5 jackets, and have a really full closet!

The ideas about putting drybags on the side cases are great if I wasn't 2up. I backpack and canoe, so I already own lots drybags in varying sizes. If I was solo I would have no trouble taking more gear than necessary. With a second person on the bike there is really no extra room on the side bags.

I have not tried it yet, but I believe I came up with a solution that should work. If I drape the jacket over the topcase facing backwards, I should be able to run a rope through the arms and tie the jacket so that it's hugging the topcase. If I repeat that with the second jacket and then my wife would only loose a little space on to the two back pads in the jackets. I believe that I can get them tied down well enough if I use the waste straps to hold the jacket from ever catching air. Just to make certain they never take flight I'm likely to add a nylon strap (or two) over the whole package.

I'll try it tonight, give it a test run without the passenger. I suspect that solo should be the worst case as the 2nd person would block more wind and be leaning against it. If it works out I'll try to take a picture and add it to the thread.

On the plus side the temperatures look like they are falling and I'm more likely to be getting traditional weather than what they have been seeing in NS. Now I just have to make sure to pack enough gear to keep my wife from getting chilled. You just can't win. Before the heatwave I had tracked down a jacket liner to borrow for the trip. I might be looking back in the colder direction now, which I'm actually much more comfortable with.
 

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I have read nothing but good about the Aerostitch stuff and one day might get one.

I have also read great things about Frogg Toggs for use as rain gear. Most of the gear you have would likely serve well in most conditions including the occasional light drizzle for short periods. Having a dedicated rain suit to put over them for the heavy stuff might be a good strategy. I have a Frogg Toggs Road Toad suit on order.. ask me in a few months how it works for me.

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I have an older belstaff wax cotton jacket and I use textile pants. The belstaff is great, although dated, and not as warm as some other jackets. I tend to layer up underneath it, but it is great on hot days!

I was thinking of E21 side cases and have laboured about what happens when I exceed storage space. I have thought of installing small u-bolts or bungee hooks with a good backing plate on the E21's. Anyone ever done this?? It would help in the fastening of the cargo net or dry bags for the passenger arm rest idea.
I also am planning on ordering the small luggage rack that fits on top of the top case, again, to further serve as something to hook a cargo net to.
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temp will not go to 85f

i live in Nova scotia and I will tell you now, it wont make it to 85, this year we were lucky to see 35c 4 times this year....you may need to bring liners for your jacket....
 

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i live in Nova scotia and I will tell you now, it wont make it to 85, this year we were lucky to see 35c 4 times this year....you may need to bring liners for your jacket....
Here is the Halifax forecast (21 degrees C is 70 degrees F):

 

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I have also read great things about Frogg Toggs for use as rain gear....
Frogg Toggs SUCK!!! My wife and I both bought new ones for our Memorial Day trip to FL. After two 10-12 hour days at 75mph they were both thrown away when we got to Tampa. A complete waste of money. And I should have known better. That's the second set I've thrown my money away on.
 

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I used my Froggy two days in a row on my Reno trip during rain that was sometimes heavy enough for cars to pull over. Performance was excellent.
 
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