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Not certain if this counts as "putting it down" or "dropping" or if those terms are synonymous...

Got up and went exploring this morning (I am now 100% convinced I am getting an MX helmet, my scorpion is too hot off road). Went through a few old forest roads looking for a certain route for a project I am putting together.

Anyway, I was going through some real soupy mud and the back end kicked out from underneath my. My panniers (ammo cans) absorbed a geat deal of the fall and probably kept me from losing my left turn signal.

So standing there in the mud puddle, the engine dies just before I could hit the kill switch. I grabbed it and pulled to the sky and somehow managed not strain anything in the process.

Tried to start it, but the Fault Indicator light came on and my oh shit red light was flashing at me. The bike would not start! I turned the key off and on a few times and it fired up again. I have heard of this from a few people who have put it down and it sounds like not a big deal.

Soaked head to toe I found a suitable place to turn around and took a completely different route through that mud pit without issue.

The question in this matter isn't regarding my riding ability, my off road skills are categorized as "Pre-Beginner" with zero instruction other than youtube, so we can all assume I suck. The question in the matter is why these stock tires suck so bad in the mud, and what suitable replacements for them with a 5/95 use profile that won't break the bank are. I have also decided that importance of new gear is- MX boots, MX helmet, goggles. Skidplate is a near necessity with our oil filters positioned where they are. That will make it's way next.

Attached picture is of minutes before I put it down.

Now I am off to wash it off and check for any damage.
 

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Because they are not designed for mud, they are for road and maybe hard trail you would need a set of nobly's tyres or better still two sets of wheels with different tyres one for road /trail one for deep off road mud. my 2p
 

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Without a doubt I will need knobbies for anything in my area that has the slightest bit of ground saturation. Guess it's time to look for a good set.

I guess a better question would be this-
Is it better to get a tire set to swap out, or a whole set of wheel/tire to swap out?

I run road/mud sets on my truck and just swap wheels/tires when I want to get into the gnarly stuff...

Did the FI check, came up -C00 so that's good. I bet that's because I didn't do it as it saw there with the FI on. I am guessing my FI would have been the C23 code this morning.

Any chance a Mod could throw this over to General please? :D
 

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I just simply call it a "crash", and "off", or a "drop"....saying "you put it down" suggests you did it in purpose, and were in control.

Hope there's no real damage, glad you are ok, and yeah, stock tires in mud...haha, not good.
 

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I have a Yamaha WR450F that loves roads like this. I really can't imagine the V-strom being a very good choice for this type of riding personally. Glad everything is ok.
 

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Since you are in WA. Puget Sound Safety has an excellent Adv riding course. Even the MSF Dirt would help. I am also unsure on the tires. When I got the bike the back had plenty of meat, but the front was toast with a lot of cupping and only at 25 lbs of pressure. As I was not sure what to get I went with a OEM TW front to match the back , and it was only $80.00. I figured wear the rear out and then swap both after I know more about 'Strom tires. I sounds like the New radial Shinko 705's maybe promising.

I am finding that the "strom and other big bikes are not at all like my lightweight dirt bikes from my youth.
These big ones when going down a gravel or dirt downgrade really like to roll fast and are so friggin' heavy and cumbersome at low speeds.
They also are not like street bikes either and the handling reminds me very much of what I remember my Honda CB's were like.

I have seen people ride these big bikes well and I suspect it is not so much the bike as my lack of skill with a heavy bike in uneven terrain. Heck even MSF now drums into riders head use of the front brake almost all of the time. Do it on a Adv bike at low speed while wobbling left right, up and down and it will easily lock the front in a heart beat.
I know in my case it is not the equipment as much as my lack of skill and I am working with others on it and plan on getting Pro instruction as soon as I can.
 

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Continental TKC80 or Metzeler Karoo or Karoo T are what you need in Harbor mud. Even the Shinkos, while better than Trailwings, aren't the best for you if you're 5% on-road and 95% off-road. (My wife was raised in the Harbor and we visited her parents many times--I saw two kinds of weather there. Rain & heavy rain. Just joking. The sun was out once.)
 

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Continental TKC80 or Metzeler Karoo or Karoo T are what you need in Harbor mud. Even the Shinkos, while better than Trailwings, aren't the best for you if you're 5% on-road and 95% off-road. (My wife was raised in the Harbor and we visited her parents many times--I saw two kinds of weather there. Rain & heavy rain. Just joking. The sun was out once.)
Thanks for the links. I am 95% on, 5% off, BTW.

The Karoo T's look better for the reduced tread depth between the knobs. I'll admit, I really like taking the curves on 105 and 109 at 70mph, so I really appreciate tires that have a lot of grip on the road as well.
 

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It appears the absolute worst of the damage is on my pannier box that took the brunt of the hit. It scratched the paint and bent the bottom eye bolt I drilled into it (5/8").
 

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Thanks for the links. I am 95% on, 5% off, BTW.

The Karoo T's look better for the reduced tread depth between the knobs. I'll admit, I really like taking the curves on 105 and 109 at 70mph, so I really appreciate tires that have a lot of grip on the road as well.
Maybe wait for the Shinko radial 705 tires, or maybe Bridgestone Battlewings...which other DS tires are somewhat better in mud than average? (The early Shinko bias ply 705s had a lot of warranty returns--no one knows if the early production radial 705s will be reliable.)
 

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On any left side drop, check the clutch and kickstand switchs. They disconnect/break pretty easily.
 

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For anything off road and wet you really need knobbies, but that pretty much brings you out of the 95-5% mix. While there are some riders wo can ride almost anything almost anywhere for most of us these stroms are really a street bike that you can ride the occasional dirt road on, and that fairly slowly.

My 04 DL1000 only handles dry off pavement (with tourance's), anything I can drive on in my Subaru wagon I can do on my Strom but when it gets wet, anything off camber and muddy at all will almost certainly be seeing this heavy bike on it's side.
 
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