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I did not own a strom till a few years back. Im on a 04 wee. its been a great bike. no problems or regrets.

but being that I came to the strom many years after its introduction, I am wondering how it was marketed when it was new? the reason I ask is, while I can ride it offroad, I do find it harder to control. its a little of everything, tires, suspintion, weight, maybe could be a little better or better setup for dirt. I have and do ride it off road but like i said its a little hard to control.

now knowing what I know about the 650, as I have been ridding it everyday except for about 2 months in winter, and I didnt ride when I was dealing with a spinal. tracktion for months and no fun at all:thumbdown:

suzuki says this is not an duel sport.. or its not really for offroad. is that what they say or said about stroms in general (2002 to present)? or is this a new attitude for the strom 1000 2014? i am also a little confused by the some of the dirt bike rags doing reviews of the bike if the maker clearly says its not an offroad bike..

again not saying the bike is or isnt suited for dirt. suzuki says its not and im a little ... i dont know concerned i guess? i get that if you know what your doing you can ride a goldwing down jeep trails. so..

why.. is suzuki saying what they are saying? how can they market this bike as a duel sport .. when they say no dirt? does duel mean pavemnt and blacktop? cause its not a sport bike.. fun to ride im sure but not in any way a sport bike.

im not saying ... im just saying..

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Everything is about marketing, but more is about the rider than the bike anyways. Is a GS "honestly" a good or wise choice for doing offroad either? I like the term adventure bike more than anything else, because they do a little of this and a little of that, and are very flexible and tougher than the majority of other street legal motorcycles. A bit like the saying "ride to live, live to ride" we all know that is not always the case for that particular owners group. ;)
 

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I agree the 1200 GS is also to big and heavy to be a "real" offroad bike. but BMW does market it as a duel sport adventure bike that is made to take off road.. bmws have their issues, mechanical, electrical, bla bla bla.. but their intent is to make a adventure bike that can go offroad.

suzuki is saying.. this not what the 1000 2014 is for.. and I guess I dont get it..

maybe its me.. I think duel sport that means it is made to take on more than one kind of road to some degree or another.
 

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I agree the 1200 GS is also to big and heavy to be a "real" offroad bike. but BMW does market it as a duel sport adventure bike that is made to take off road.. bmws have their issues, mechanical, electrical, bla bla bla.. but their intent is to make a adventure bike that can go offroad.

suzuki is saying.. this not what the 1000 2014 is for.. and I guess I dont get it..

maybe its me.. I think duel sport that means it is made to take on more than one kind of road to some degree or another.

And that is a Strom to a T.
 

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I'm not quite getting this....

are you saying that Suzuki lied to you when they marketed the bike to the original owner as an 'adventure' bike?

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Where are you seeing that Suzuki is not calling the V-Strom 1000 a dual-sport? On their website and other literature they actually put it in three categories: Dual-Sport, Touring, and Adventure Touring. I think the point they are making is that it's a very versatile bike and will accommodate many types of riders. It's definitely designed to handle some off-road duty, so I think it can easily fit into the Dual-Sport category. But I think it fits best in the "Adventure Touring" category.
 

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I think they came to what it is based on deduction, as opposed to targeting...
It certainly isn't a sport or sport/tourer, even if it has sporty lines, since it accommodates more suspension travel, and has better clearance than either, and *can* easily handle fire roads, gravel (and a lot more if you've watched that Greek Strom rider with the brass set)... It's not a dirt bike since it doesn't have *all* that clearance (and it's a 4-stroke), and it's a hella lot more comfortable... It's not a grand tourer (thank goodness), since it's much lighter, more 'spritely' and flickable, and performs much better in the twisties... And, it's absolutely not an iron cruiser, since it can lean significantly more without grabbing the pegs, and doesn't vibrate your teeth out, even if it can cruise with the best of them...

So... that pretty much leaves dual-sport... Closest to what it fits...

Although, I'm with Big B... I like the "adventure" moniker...
 

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Mine will be going off the road!!.:thumbup:

It's your bike, do what you want with it, and I more than know that the new VEE II will be as capable off the black stuff as any other bike in the adventure category.

It may not be as hardcore as say the 1190R or R1200GS, but you will only be limited by your skills and your sense of adventure.

Most naysayers say that the current 650 is not a capable off road bike, but it has never failed to take me where I want to go :yesnod:
 

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suzuki says this is not an duel sport.. or its not really for offroad. is that what they say or said about stroms in general (2002 to present)? or is this a new attitude for the strom 1000 2014? i am also a little confused by the some of the dirt bike rags doing reviews of the bike if the maker clearly says its not an offroad bike..
They (being Suzuki Japan) have always called the 1000's a "Sport Adventure Tourer"

So assume they make them a bit sporty, and able to tour and have some Adventure.

Not as sporty as an Gixxer, Not as tourey as a Goldwing and not as offroady as a DRZ.

Now you can make what you will of "Sport Adventure Tourer".

The importers will call them whatever they think will appeal to the natives.

The bike does what the bike does, and you are as talented as you are.

The 2007 Vee Strom I owned I wouldn't have called "in it's element" off road, but it did it in a concentration sapping way. And it didn't snap in half or break things, like some others do.
 

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Tip of South America and...back!

Once-upon-A-Time I read a detailed ride report, on ADVrider, about a guy who went to the tip of South America and back riding a v-strom 1000. His friend rode a 650 Versy. I guess these bikes are what one sees in them.
A while back they had an article, in one of the bike magazines, with all the Adventure style bikes on the cover, calling the asphalt adventure bikes. I think that pretty much sums the whole issue up in a nut shell.
I am sure that you can take the new 1000, put adequate crash bars, skid plate(s), tires, etc., and go for a nice trail ride. As noted a thousand time at this site make sure you have a few people with you to pick it up when you fall...and we ALL do!
So, I guess the point of all of this is, if you like the new V-Strom 1000 buy it. I am sure it will be one of the most dependable bikes you will ever own. Fastest...no! Best handling...no! Most adventure looking...no! A very nice bike for the $$$$...yes! And if you park in at Starbucks and walk in with all your gear 99.9% of the people there will think it is the NEW BMW. Just tell them that you just came in from Alaska...and are headed for the Keys as soon as it gets above 10F...and you will probably end up on someone's facebook page. You might even get a free cup of coffee!
 

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maybe its me.. I think duel sport that means it is made to take on more than one kind of road to some degree or another.
Don't get hung up on labels. Yes, the vee2 appears in the Dual Sport category on their website. It also appears in its own category (Adventure) and in the Touring category. That should tell you something.
 

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Call it whatever you want. I call it an any-road motorcycle, paved or unpaved (tame dirt). Rich Desmond calls it a street bike with long travel suspension. I don't think anyone is calling the strom a goat trail class dirt bike. Suzuki makes the DR & DR-Z dual sports and RM-Z dirt bikes for the goat trails.


This is duel sport:

 

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Step 1. Understand the difference between dual and duel.

Step 2. Define your riding style and make a purchase from there. At the time I bought my strom, none of my friends showed interest in riding off pavement. So I bought a bike that was mostly pavement with the capability of occasional off pavement adventure. Now that I finally convinced my buddies of the fun to be had off pavement, they all bought dual sports and now we have been doing a lot of aggressive off pavement riding.

Now, today, if I were to buy a bike, based on my current riding it would NOT be a vstrom... at all.

Is the bike capable of occasional off pavement, yes. I do it regularly with decent success. But like you said, handling off pavement for the strom is less than optimal and is a lot of work.

If you plan to do a lot of aggressive off pavement rides, then buying a bike that has so much debate about its off pavement prowess would not be ideal. Get a KTM, F800 etc. I have never seen a debate on whether or not those are meant for off pavement.

So, the answer lies in your question. hahaha boy thats deep.
 

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I thought this thread was going to be about The Big O - Roy Orbison.
 

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A stock V-Strom is kind of like a stock Jeep Wrangler (insert other name in other countries) with stock suspension and tires. It's going to go off-pavement, but not with great success in the gnarly stuff. In fact, the comparison might favor the stock Jeep.
 

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to many good points to respond to one by one.

and the duel vs dual.. lol.. I didn't know I was doing that. thats funny.

I have 2 questions really.

1) is how did suzuki market the first DL? if you know..

before I get in to question 2, I have to admit I dont know my lables. dual sport, adventure, dual sport adventure, touring, touring adventure... to me anytime you get on a bike and go somewhere its an adventure. it could be just going over to ace hardware to get a bolt.. but to me its still an adventure because im still on a bike and getting to go anywhere on a bike is a good thing :yesnod:

but the brands or labels and what they mean.. im lost. I do think its somewhat important because back in the day if I said I had a curser, people knew that was a not a harley but was a curser like harley. if I said I had a sport bike. that ment a sport bike. dual sport used to be called a endro. which was a dirt bike with lights so you could ride it on the road. touring bike ment something like a goldwing. but you could if you wanted to, take any of them on an adventure.. so on.. you older guys know what I'm talking about.

today adventure I think means you can ride it a long way more than you can ride it across the gobi desert.. but it also means you can ride it across the gobi (something I want to do someday).. so its just a word that doesnt mean anything but it does.. anyway.. enought of that.

question 2..if suzuki says " not designed for offroad " thats the thing I'm confused about. Im sure this bike will go as far as your skill will let you. I am not saying that is not proficiient, or adequate, or capable.. i just dont understand suzuki's " not designed for offroad " but marketing it as a dual sport?

I am hooked on vstroms. I like them, I like suzuki and what they have done with these bikes. but.. if your going put it on your webpage under dual-sport and also say "not designed for offroad", I think that is at the least confusing and worst case its double speak.

anyway.

thanks for putting up with me.
 

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Call it whatever you want. I call it an any-road motorcycle, paved or unpaved (tame dirt). Rich Desmond calls it a street bike with long travel suspension. ...
Actually, "A street bike with a lift kit.". :)

Not my phrase originally, stole it from Kevin Baker, the fork brace guy.

I still think that's accurate, the Stroms are only very slightly better on dirt roads than any other street bike of the same weight and riding poition.

On the GW comment above...many years ago I was taking one of my first bikes, a '78 Honda Hawk 400, up a kind of rough forest service road in the Sandia mountains. Bouncing along, feeling pretty impressed with myself for being able to navigate it. 'Bout halfway up, I meet another biker headed down. Old guy, 2-up on a GW Interstate. Didn't look like he was having any trouble. Put a pretty big hole in my "feel good" moment. :)
 

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Well at least it looks like an adventure bike , and if i wear the right gear , i might look like an adventurer , .

So i can take my cruiser out on sundays and dress like a pirate ,

v strom during the week and dress like an adventurer , , just need a full set of leathers and one of them lean over the tank bikes for saturday , and i've got it all covered :thumbup:

Seriosly it is what it is , a good all round bike i like it because it handles better than my big cruiser , and is more fun especielly in the twisty hills , if i see a dirt track , i can go have a look woithout fear of it rattling to bits . If the track gets too knarly i turn back , bike will probably handle it , I doubt if i could .

But the first time i hit a knarly bit , the road started of has a well graded dirt road , it then turned to track , it then turned going down a steep hill , about 6 foot wide , with ruts in the track from the rain , I could'nt chuck a u turn without getting off and i could'nt get of , because i coul'nt reach the floor . The track turned to like a creek bed , going down hill with big ruts and pebblles and rocks the size of house bricks , and i figured , OH shit , I had no choice but to learn very quickly , the only way was to ride it out , and guess what the v strom handled it ok ,

I won't go back on that road again , but the bike maty not be the best off road bike , but in more capable hands than me it would be a pretty good bike , if you need better tthen buy a off road bike .

If i was to go on a proper , adventure type trip across the Flinders ranges or the Simpson desert , i definetly would'nt take the V strom , i would go buy a proper , lighter bike , thats built for them journeys , If i had the skills i would do it on the Super tenere , but i hav'nt so it would be something smaller , and lighter .
 
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