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I'm going to be in need of a new Wee Strom soon, as the old 2004 has developed an oil leak that will take more money to fix than I am willing to put into it. Since I want to replace it with an ABS model, I'm thinking that it might be worthwhile asking a dealer to put in an order for a 2011. I've never done this before. Either I bought a used bike or I bought one off the showroom floor. So I have a couple of questions. Hopefully someone who has actual experience with a Suzuki dealership will be able to offer advice.

1. When and how does a dealer put in their order for next year's models?

2. If you place an advance order for a Strom, how does that affect the price they are willing to take? (Obviously this varies!)

3. When do new Suzuki models usually arrive at the dealers? (Of course this year could be different.)

Thanks for your help!

Mike Brown
Vancouver, WA

PS: I'd ask the local dealers, but they are notoriously dishonest about stuff like this.
 

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Suzuki release new model year bikes around September each year. At that point dealers will have prices and part numbers but until then any dealer who takes your money is simply taking your money to increase their own bank balance.
It's not possible for any dealer to order a product before the factory release specifications, part numbers and pricing for that product.
 

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yup, they order them at dealers meeting in September, when the dealer orders, they also specify a delivery schedule and in northern states, many dealers specify late winter/early spring dates rather than keep them in inventory all winter from a fall begining of model year delivery

but don't expect to see any '11s to show up until they sell all the '07, '08 & '09s here in the US



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Thanks guys! Sounds like I should talk to a few of the local dealers around the first of September and see if they are amenable to a deal. If past experience is any guide, they will probably be just as greedy as ever.

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They most likely will not cut you any deal, since you're attempting to "pre-order" the bike. It just shows how much you want it. You're also looking for an ABS, which will be rare enough, so you'll have even less wiggle room with the dealer. If you're attempting to secure one ASAP when they come on, you're SOL up here in the PNW. You'll most likely pay MSRP.

I purchased the first 09 WABS in WA State when they got them in (according to the dealers logs). That was in early November. The ABS models usually come in a little later than non-ABS bikes from what I've heard. I was not cut any slack in pricing, and that was with a very friendly dealer where I had been dealing with the sales manager directly for months. I did get 15% off on gear and really sweet discounts on my first three maintenance checks. That was all.

No word yet on 2011 bikes coming in. Like Randyo said, they're waiting to clear existing stock.
 

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Back in my dealership days the dealer meeting was in August, and there was talk of moving it back. Specs were released and we had two order windows...one that closed September 30th and the other was in December for Phase II units that weren't included in the early one. But we were always shipped something by Labor Day. (For example - for the 2008 model year, the Vee wasn't included in the early order window because they weren't sure it would be built.)

The Chicago warehouse (I was in the Minneapolis region) was usually well-stocked. When I decided on buying my bike in May of '07, I wanted a non-ABS model and I didn't have a gray 650 on the floor - so I called the warehouse...they had 3...so I had them ship me one.

The only time I accepted early orders was the year the B-King was released. It's also the only Suzuki I could get full retail for. Given the state of the OEMs today, and Suzuki especially, it may be different now.
 

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Ditto on what some of the others have said Mike. You don't need to preorder. You can always find a new bike but pre ordering only puts you at the disadvantage. Remember the old business axiom; "He who has the money has the advantage." The Wee is not some one off or scarce machine. If you can't find one on the floor, the dealer will always order one for you at a negotiated price.

Have you considered buying a late model used one? I have purchased only one new MC in my 45+ years of riding, to include my pristine, low mileage, nicely farkled 2005 DL1000. There are a lot of sweet, low mileage deals out there.

Mike
 

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Mike, it doesn't hurt to ask the dealerships. They might be willing to make a fair deal for a quick sale. You might also try calling one of the local licensed auto brokers and ask if they can do a motorcycle deal. If it can be done, it might be worth the money, or it might not--the broker's fee might eat up any savings on a deal this small.

Your local public library has books on negotiating techniques. A couple of techniques are to be patient, and that there must always be more than one factor on the table so each party can win one factor and give the other factor up. In your case, the two items might be your quick deal in exchange for a discount off MSRP. There plenty of sources of the typical auto dealer scams and shady practices on the 'net, and you might find some that motorcycle dealers practice.
 

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I traded a couple of emails with a local dealer last week who has a 2009 ABS WeeStrom on the showroom floor. He wants list price plus 500 bucks, justifying this by saying that no 2010 models were produced. The last email I sent asked if I could contact him later about ordering a 2011 at a better price when presumably the supply would be better. He did not reply.

I chatted with a salesman at another dealership which although very large, had no VStroms at all on the floor. The guy said they simply could not get any. Not sure if I should believe him or the reports here on Stromtrooper that the market is still awash with older models. Maybe it depends on which regional warehouse you are talking about.

Its funny how Suzuki dealers in different parts of the country price their products. Some seem to be like auto dealers who try to pump up their volume by cutting their margin. Around here though, the dealers seem to prefer a low volume, high margin sales strategy. There is little or no discounting going on. I wonder if the dealers have some sort of agreement with each other to reduce price competition.

Back in the 1980's, when the Japanese brands imported too many bikes, dealers in the Portland area sold them off cheaply after they got to be more than a year or two old. They would advertise how many leftover bikes they still had in crates that they wanted to sell at 20 to 40% below MSRP. I bought a Yamaha and a Honda that way, since I was not looking for the latest super bike. The leftovers were perfect for me. Times have changed.

Mike Brown
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