Off pavement is NOT off road.
So here is another argument/debate......what is a touring motorcycle?
Adv bike, dual sport, dirt bike....what’s what for what, off pavement can mean many different things, did you specify single track or MX track? I’ve been on many “so called roads” on my Strom, they weren’t pavement or gravel, but at times they did appear to be some kind of road or trail, so that doesn’t mean off road in your opinion? Know a guy/friend here who regularly rides the hell out of his 1000 Strom in Wayne National Forest trails and single track here in Ohio, is that not off road enough? The bikes are plenty capable and I stand by my opinion and observations, most dual purpose machines need smart mods to make them more appropriate and easier going, so the Stroms are no different. Well of course they are a handful off the beaten path, and oh boy when you drop it......but many do it all the time all over the world. So for average rider it’s gonna be a serious handful and likely not sensible, but those with skill and experience can make it look almost easy. One persons sensible, is another persons nightmare. :wink2:Off pavement is NOT off road.
Dirt roads and fire roads only since you asked how far sensibly they can go. The odd person will do crazy things with them but just not what they are intended for. Perhaps you could score a good deal on a left over KLR 650 or if you want even more dirt oriented a KTM 690.G’day,
I’m sure this has been addressed before but I just can’t find your wonderful answers.
I’m days away from pulling the trigger on a VStrom 650xt as my first adventure bike. Ridden road bikes until now.
I’ve always 4x4ed but having moved to a big city I’m now looking for a way to downsize and still get to similar off-road spots.
How much can I achieve safely and sensibly on a VStrom 650? I’ve read reviews where they warn not to stray from well graded dirt roads. That would be a pity if true but understandable. Have also seen owners shy away from the Simpson Desert, Top End etc.
With some decent tyres and a few accessories how far off-road would you go?
Cheers for any advice.
I've been in fun places with 0 experience. The main reason i couldn't keep up with my friend on his triumph was that he had experience on dirt bikes, drifting in dirt/sand/gravel corners as i had to slow down, worried (such an understatement) about falling.Sensible. Remember that word. It is key to the thread.
Replies stating a DL is better at hill climbing, and better going down sketchy downhill sections due to ABS make me cringe. Really? ABS is better going down a rocky, loose dirt downhill section? I wonder why then that off road riders want a switch to turn off ABS? Sloppy conditions are better on a heavy bike? Hmmmmm
This is turned into a "I can do anything on a DL you can do on a DR" thread. Yes, a V Strom can travel single track. I have been on single track that was simply a nice ride, without challenge.
I know you can put a DL in places where dedicated dirt bikes go. Not everyone can do it, but there are those that know the technique to get across a rough patch. But do that all day? You will be worn totally out manhandling the bike. I used to get that way on a dirt bike under 300 lbs. But my definition of off road riding is based on many years of it. Get your buddy to help lift your bike over the fence, no problem. Try that on a DL. Get stuck in a swamp where the tires are half buried? Better have several helpers with the V STroms! Riding the rocky roads around Silverton Colorado comes to mind. Roads they are, but you will NOT keep up with anyone riding a dirt bike in those conditions. Any you will work 3 times as hard trying to keep the bike going without crashing.
If you want to prove that a V Strom can handle rough off road conditions, have at it. But don't pretend they are good at it.
That is a most simplistic short explanation....and in my opinion the best one I have ever read that describes the Warthog of a strom 'off pavement'.The strom is much more capable than many folk say. No, it is not a dirt bike and can't be driven like one.
Paths that a real dirt bike would blaze over, have to be treated as technical routes with the Strom. Low ground clearance, and typically poorer tires, means slow and carefull is often the best plan of attack.
Sensible riding, with the storms shortcomings in mind, you can venture almost anywhere. It is just more challenging on the strom compared to riding a full off road machine.
I just could not let this one pass.I disagree with the "harder than a dirt bike" comment. There are SOME situations where a DL outperforms a dirt bike. Climbs where you'd have to wring the neck of a dirt bike are relatively easy on a DL, I have NEVER seen an unsealed climb that I would rather tackle on a V-Strom than a dirt bike as are sketchy downhills on the ABS models. Physics (i.e. WEIGHT) will overpower a heavier bike in loose conditions long before it will do the same to a lighter bike. Sloppy conditions (NOT sticky mud) are easier on a DL than on a dirt bike. Really? And when you hit a rock or a tree branch hidden in the slop, which bike will be easier to control , or if necessary, to pick up. Long miles on relatively good dirt roads are also easier on a DL. AGREED!
Even ground clearance is less of an issue that you'd expect as I've usually had enough torque and power to be able to pick my way through. Admitted slower than a bike with 10" of clearance but in some ways easier as well. Just using some common sense and slowing down or turning around when it gets really sketchy is a lifesaver. Sorry - you just cannot pick your way through rocks as easily on a wide, heavy bike with 6" clearance as you can on a narrow bike with increased clearance.