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I'm a new rider( Just finishing up my license ) with some dirt experience. I'm 6'1" and 275lbs.

I want to use my bike for long distance touring....week long trips, etc. I also want to bring my wife sometime with me. She's 5'6" and slightly north of 160lbs.

Will the 650 handle what I want to do or should I go with the 1000?? Not interested in going off road. It's mainly long trips with camping gear.

I'm concerned with the upgrades the 1000 needs to make it comparable to the 650 in handling,etc.........HELP ME!!!:confused:
 

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Long distance riding with a passenger is one of the best justifications for going with the larger bike. It can be done on the 650, but it can be done better on the 1000.

Keep in mind that you are likely to want to modify/improve some aspects of the 1000 that you would not have to worry about with the 650. The 650 is overall more reliable and cheaper to own and maintain.

I'm the same hieght and nearly the same weight as you and the 1000 fits me like a glove. I still sometimes think I should have gotten the 650 though (but I don't have a passenger and do mostly commuting).
 

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I'm a new rider( Just finishing up my license ) with some dirt experience. I'm 6'1" and 275lbs.

I want to use my bike for long distance touring....week long trips, etc. I also want to bring my wife sometime with me. She's 5'6" and slightly north of 160lbs.

Will the 650 handle what I want to do or should I go with the 1000?? Not interested in going off road. It's mainly long trips with camping gear.

I'm concerned with the upgrades the 1000 needs to make it comparable to the 650 in handling,etc.........HELP ME!!!:confused:
For a new rider ,650 is enough , you can update it after sometime :yesnod:
 

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The 650 will do fine two up, but not ideal IMHO. You FOR SURE will need new rear shock and stiffer front springs, these bikes are made for a 150 lb person.
 

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New rider or not, you will spend about two hours riding before you are ready for the 1000 so I would just go ahead and get it. Based on your size and what you are planning to do with it, the Vee would be my choice....and it was.
 

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I weigh the same as you. Last year I went for a good long ride into Canada on my wee. No side cases but did have a small top box.

The bike did fine but, I was not satisfied with it. It kept up Ok with the pack for the most part but was lethargic on uphill terrain at speed. Also, passing semi's etc (although successful) was at its limits. I would not categorize it as fun. Large pucker factor.

If it had side cases or another person, it would have been downright dangerous. Just not enough power.

Now, if you intend to take it easy all of the time than perhaps you can make it work. But, I don't see that as reasonable thinking as you will sometimes find yourself in places you didn’t intend to be.

One up with minimal luggage is totally doable. More than that, not so much.

The 650 is a better bike for a whole host of reasons that you can find all over this forum.

The 1000 is required based on your trip requirements as you have defined them.

Invariably people will pop in and defend the wee saying that it can do just about anything. And, for the most part they are right. But, traveling with a loved one in tow requires a bike that is not operating at the edge of its capacity in my opinion.



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Get one of each, man, one for you and one for her. :mrgreen:
 

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The 1000 is too big for ANY beginner. Get the the 650 and a few thousand miles under your belt before you consider carrying a passenger. At that point, you should know what kind of bike is appropriate for your riding style.

Please wait until you are comfortable on the motorcycle before you have a passenger. Their life is literally in your hands. The mistakes you make as a new rider will only be worse with your wife on board.
 

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Very important points about rider and passenger safety, and...

...Buy something comfortable and lower cost, maybe an older 650 or maybe something else. Have fun on it and put lots of hours and lots of miles on it. When you're a more skilled rider and the all-new 2014 DL1000's are out decide if you want the 650 or new 1000.
 

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Or wait for the 2014 V(EE)2 and many of your upgrades might already be baked in.
 

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What has to be done to the 1k to make it just as good as the 650?

I was figuring the rear spring was a given on either bike
 

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Just do not get the whole flat footing thing, and I would mess with a seat before I ever considered lowering a bike that is designed to be tall. The balls of the feet are all you need, heck many cannot even do that and get along just fine. I think if you are gonna lower, then it is very wise to get a stiffer rear spring or an entirely new unit all together.
 

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Doing the rear spring is for taking the weight of me, a passenger and our camping gear. Im not lowering the bike
 

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What has to be done to the 1k to make it just as good as the 650?

I was figuring the rear spring was a given on either bike
The two main complaints are:
  1. Fuelling: Many Vees are lean from the factory (my 2008 wasn't). The 2012 is eligible for a free ECU upgrade from Suzuki which fixes the issue. Otherwise, it can be fixed using a Power Commander V.
  2. Clutch Chudder: Excessive vibration from the clutch. Some bikes have it, some don't. It can be repaired with a rebuilt clutch basket from a vendor on this forum.

Apart from that, regular servicing should keep everything running well, or there are instructions and helpful people on the forum who can advise you on how to do it yourself.

I weighed myself this morning... 266 lbs (a new personal record). I'm happy with the stock suspension and it is not yet on full preload. Mind you I am not very fussy, and I dont take passengers.
 

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No power and no problems or more power and more problems. If I could have just one bike it would be ... neither.

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Given your weight & the fact you want to ride with a pillion & gear, go 1000.
I weigh 150 lbs (yay the springs are designed for me!), wife weighs 120 lbs and we camp with full panniers & some bags strapped across a luggage plate. My 2012 650 does ok, but on the highway or more specifically, in the mountains, I find myself wanting more power.
Love my Glee & its been super reliable for 10000 miles. The 2014 Vee is interesting as well.

I think you'd get used to the 1000 pretty quickly. Its not like the 650 is that much lighter cause its pretty dang heavy.
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Is there a fair amount of room for a passenger?? Looking at the side profile, the passenger area looks pretty tight??

How hard is it to install the power commander in the DL1000?

The responses have been great. Please keep them coming, it helping me out tons
 
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