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Heads-up on buying chains from Amazon

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I am replacing the chain and sprockets, but was not able to source the sprockets locally. So I decided to order everything from Amazon. I received the chain today. The box said "118 links", but in the past I've sometimes received 120 links, so I immediately opened it and counted the links. Lo and behold, only 112! I'm returning it and getting a replacement, but of course that means a several-day delay (I don't have Prime).

Anyway, from now on, whenever I buy a chain, I will immediately open it and count the links. If buying locally, I will do so before paying for it.
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That's good advice for any purchase. I did a spark plug change recently on my Super Tenere. When I took out the old plugs (which I'd bought on Amazon), I found out that one of them was the wrong plug. I had checked the plug boxes when I received them, but didn't confirm that the plugs inside the box matched the numbers on the outside of the box. Fortunately the plug worked, and I never noticed any performance issues, but it was still the wrong plug.

Lesson learned: If you're buying from Amazon, make sure you check the order right away, and don't let it sit on a shelf in the garage until the return window has passed.
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Also check to see if they are counterfeit parts.
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Also check to see if they are counterfeit parts.
Do you have any info on detecting counterfeit DID chains?

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Lesson learned. Don’t buy anything from Amazon you can source from a real motorcycle shop. The ones that will soon be gone.
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I think we are all learning our lessons. These Amazon sellers are buying bulk junk and selling it. Not just cycle stuff. Some things dont matter but when it comes to something like a chain , piss poor quality will bite you. Not to mention counterfeit parts.
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So far SprocketCenter.com has been reasonably priced and ships fast.
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So far SprocketCenter.com has been reasonably priced and ships fast.
SprocketCenter and PJsChurchofSpeed has been where I buy mine. MC shops around here don't stock much and have to order. I can get stuff faster myself than wait for them to order and go pick it up.
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Ive had some good quality chains listed on here for a while at a really low price with not much interest... & I can tell you that I personally check the chain for accurate info.
I buy the plugs now from O'Reilly Auto. Getting a chain from them might be a bit more tricky...
I really try to avoid buying my auto parts from that place. Too many reports of counterfeit parts and wrong items. I will buy OEM filters for my vehicles but only from a Toyota dealer. So far, so good. There are still some good online motorcycle parts dealers... I've been getting my oil and filters from them.
There are some legit powersports shoppes with Amazon storefronts. These are usually fine, and quite often if you poke around the seller has their own online store where you can buy the bits you need directly. You might save money, or at the least feel a little better because the shop gets to keep more of their money.

However, you have to assume that anything handled by Amazon, especially if some weird made-up name for the store or supplier is involved, runs an unacceptable risk of being a counterfeit. Been there, done that.

For car parts, and even some motorcycle supplies like spark plugs and filters, RockAuto.com is legit.

For some reason, spark plugs are very commonly counterfeited, so be extremely careful with that.
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Yeah ,its just buyer beware.Speaking of Rock Auto.They are #1 in my book. Bought a tailight lens for a car yrs ago and it was delivered 15min before Purple Heart picked up the donations on our porch. PH took it by accident and was adament that their driver would not pick up a sealed box. But UPS delivered it and it was gone, period. Rock Auto was at zero fault but they replaced it at no cost to me. Thats customer service.

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My issues with buying from a local motorcycle shop are that there isn't one conveniently located to me, and their order cycle prevents getting anything in less than a week. They order about once a week, so if you miss the window of opportunity, your order sits unfulfilled for a week til they even place it. So it's more like two weeks, depending on the availability of the part, until you receive it. If I'm fixing something on my bike, I want to get it back in service as quickly as possible. If I find out I need an OEM part during a job that I didn't know I'd need, I'm not going to want to wait two weeks or more for it if I can get it online from someone like Rocky Mountain ATV in three or four days.

If you go to NGK's website (NGK plugs are what I always use), it lists multiple nationwide auto parts stores that they authorize to carry their product. Have a look:



I see all the standard places we're familiar with, like O'Reilly, NAPA, Carquest, Autozone, etc. I don't see Rock Auto. Since these retailers have contracts with NGK, I'd be more inclined to believe that whatever NGK plugs they're selling are real NGK plugs. If I had to guess the likelihood of a spark plug being counterfeit, I'd be more willing to believe that the counterfeit might come from a source that doesn't have an agreement with NGK. I've bought from Rock Auto in the past and they seem like a fine company (thought they sent me the wrong shims for a brake pad change on my Toyota), but in the case of spark plugs, if I was concerned about counterfeits, I'd buy them from the company that actually is an authorized retailer. I definitely won't buy them from Amazon again.
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I order things from Chapmoto. Good price, ships fast, and is a brick and mortar motorcycle shop.

I do not care for Bezos politics.
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I've looked at Chapmoto's website when I've been shopping for tires, and they had good prices, but at that time they didn't have the particular tire I wanted (I think it was a Shinko 705). I alternate between various online retailers when I'm shopping, but I've found Rocky Mountain ATV to consistently be the most reliable as far as customer service, price, and parts availability. If I call them, I get to talk to a real live person, which seems to be an increasingly rare occurrence.

As far as Bezos, without delving into anything resembling politics, I would be perfectly happy if they jammed him into one of his spacecraft and re-enacted the lyrics to "Space Oddity". The sad reality is that, for better or worse, Amazon changed the face of retail, and there's no going back, at least not unless there's a fundamental shift in society. For better or worse, all retailers are stuck with trying to deal with this new business model, and it's going to continue to devastate businesses until something even more powerful changes it.
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I’ve used Rocky Mountain too @RCinNC

They have a distribution warehouse and retail center about 1-1/4 hours east of me. I keep meaning to stop in there when I’m over that way for business or a joy ride.
I use Amazon and am a Prime customer. However, I'm very careful. Amazon is a cesspool of junk and counterfeits. My rules:
  • Determine who the real seller is. Many people do not know how to do this. Look for exactly the words "Sold by ..." in the right hand column. Not "Brand", not "Ships from".
  • Research the seller. If they don't have a retail presence of their own outside Amazon, run away, or ensure that the product is one that you don't mind being junk or counterfeit.
  • Determine the reputation and trustworthiness of the seller. This is subjective, but at a minimum, I want to see contact info and a HQ in a friendly country.
  • For critical parts, try to determine whether they're an authorized seller. The manufacturer may have a list. (This isn't always possible.)
  • If possible and I'm not in a hurry, buy direct from the retailer. They will appreciate not giving Amazon a chunk of the profit.
And finally, regardless of who the seller is - and this happens most often when the seller is Amazon itself - DO NOT let them get away with selling returned merchandise as new. I can't tell you how many times I've received opened, damaged, or otherwise obviously returned merch sold as new. I consider this fraud, and I nearly always make them take it back, unless it's a case where it really doesn't matter and I'm in a hurry. It's especially galling when it's something I bought as a gift which wasn't cheap. 👿

All of the above are doubly true for safety-critical parts or any electronic/computer gear (nearly everything is a computer these days, and nearly all of it has firmware of some sort which can be compromised or be otherwise malicious if it's been used or is from a dodgy source).

Support the good guys. It takes extra work. It usually costs more. It's worth it.

Edit: you'll notice I didn't even mention customer reviews and ratings. They are so often gamed, paid for, or otherwise fraudulent as to be completely useless for determining reputation of a product or seller. They can be useful for gaining specific facts about the product itself, but the safest bet is to just assume that reviews were paid for, either by the seller or a seller's competitor.
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I usually use Denniskirk.com for tires, so far thats all I have needed for this bike. Got an RK chain and sprocket set from them over a yr ago just to have. Its almost time to install, and this thread got me nervous so I counted the links. 117, plus the master link makes 118. ( I assume thats how they figure it, not 118+ the master link. Hope its not 1 short.)
I have gotten a couple sets from them for my SV, also 1 for the Bandit, all good.
@RCinNC

I order things from Chapmoto. Good price, ships fast, and is a brick and mortar motorcycle shop.

I do not care for Bezos politics.
Yeah, I generally avoid Amazon. I just got frustrated trying to find sprockets, and in this case, Amazon was much cheaper than alternatives that I could find. I've ordered from Sprocket Center before.
Right now, Chaparral Motorsports is sold out of the chains I would want.
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