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I've read in some forums where people refer to a "Gen 3" DL1000A. This made me curious. So, I looked it up. Or tried to.

What differences are there that makes a newer DL1000A a "gen 3" compared to the Gen 2 from 2014 onwards?

I have the '14 model. As far as I can tell, all they've done is some minor detuning for emission compliance and fancier ABS. Mechanically, they appear to be the same.

Or is this not correct?

Thanks.
 

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'14, '15, '16 the same except for differences shown for '15 and '16 for swing arm removal procedure and rear brake hose routing as shown in my '14 DL1000A Service Manual Addendum.

'17 and later--different beak, footpeg and frame color, front fork color, difference in tachometer surround in gauge cluster,
'18-different windscreen, comes with lower cowl and handguards that were an accessory add-ons on the '14-16 DL1000ABS and was standard on the Adventure models. Gas tank slimmer at tank/seat junction. Grippier seat cover sides. Additional catalyst in exhaust, idle-up from stop feature of '18 ECU/Euro-4 Emissions Compliance.

Gen 2 ECU programming designed to mimic '18 ECU programming and clutch basket(as per Suzuki District Service Rep).
Maybe more--the XT1000 model itself, for example. All I could think of at the moment.
 

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Thanks. So, really, cosmetic changes and a few minor mech. mods, then?

I understand that the engine on the DL1000A has been extensively revamped from the original DL1000 model (larger capacity, different electronics, slipper clutch and so on), along with totally different styling, modern features such as USD forks, ABS, radial mount brakes and so on, so that it is truly a Gen 2. But I'm not sure if the 16, 17 or 18 models can be called Gen 3. Can they?
 

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Also as you mentioned the ABS braking system. The 2018 has a computer controlled lean angle ABS. The front brake is linked to the back, so when the front is pulled a small percentage is applied to the rear(20%?).
Spoke wheels became an option.
 

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mjt57-In the US there was no 17 model. 14-16 V2 - 18 V3.
 

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The front brake is linked to the back, so when the front is pulled a small percentage is applied to the rear(20%?).
Oh, they did that, did they?

I just gotten away from Honda's abysmal DCBS (Dual Combined Braking System) after 20 years riding its bikes with that. It's great on the Vstrom not to have linked brakes.

I hated that if you touched the rear in a corner that it'd tap the front as well. First time I rode the CBR1000F and did my usual rear brake thing in a corner, the bike stood up on me.

Does the Suzuki thing do that too?
 

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The front is linked to the back, but the back is not linked to the front. It works very well because of the small percentage is like trail braking the rear. I find it helps far more than hindering.
The 18 goes by L8. The V3 thing is just a stromtrooper moniker as far as I know.
 

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The front brake is linked to the back, so when the front is pulled a small percentage is applied to the rear(20%?).
Oh, they did that, did they?

I just gotten away from Honda's abysmal DCBS (Dual Combined Braking System) after 20 years riding its bikes with that. It's great on the Vstrom not to have linked brakes.

I hated that if you touched the rear in a corner that it'd tap the front as well. First time I rode the CBR1000F and did my usual rear brake thing in a corner, the bike stood up on me.

Does the Suzuki thing do that too?


Wow.. kinda surprised Honda does that
 

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I just gotten away from Honda's abysmal DCBS (Dual Combined Braking System). First time I rode the CBR1000F and did my usual rear brake thing in a corner, the bike stood up on me.
Yep; same on my CBR1100XX. I'd stopped using a rear brake (on the street) decades ago; the "combined braking system (CBS), also called linked braking system (LBS)" really made cornering much harder on the XX than it should have been, as you were *always* trail braking, but you couldn't modulate it or even decide how much. I would have eventually de-linked if I'd kept the bike.

Then I got the dl1000, and the front brakes are so weak that I *have* to use the back brakes! Hopefully they'll be better after new springs, pads, and a good clean up / flush.

Apologies for the thread jack. Now back to the original conversation, already in progress... :grin2:
 

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Oh, they did that, did they?

I just gotten away from Honda's abysmal DCBS (Dual Combined Braking System) after 20 years riding its bikes with that. It's great on the Vstrom not to have linked brakes.

I hated that if you touched the rear in a corner that it'd tap the front as well. First time I rode the CBR1000F and did my usual rear brake thing in a corner, the bike stood up on me.

Does the Suzuki thing do that too?
no it does not, it only turns into linked brakes when abs is activated.
 

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The rear is not linked to the front, just the front to the rear. tenny I don't think your right on the linking only working if the ABS is activated. I feel it any time I use the front. Where did you see that info?
 
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