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I rode out today to drop some corn where I will be hunting in a couple weeks. Knowing the road conditions would be questionable I went anyway, always up for a challenge. 40 F mostly tarmac up to the sand road I turn on, from there only 3 miles. First part of the sand road was light snow and ice, no problem. Knew I could ride through that. Some soft sand spots along the way but just stood on the pegs and followed the bikes lead. Where I turned at the end onto a T is where I went down. Noted deep sand (car tire ruts up to 2 inches) through so I knew there would be trouble. In my mind the rule is displace my weight back and float the front by powering through.
Not on this bike. :headbang:
The front tire just starts plowing. I was able to keep it up through part of it, grabbed second, then the sand got deeper and started loosing the front. Went down slow on the left side of bike. Luckily no damage (thanks to the crash bar/highway peg and rear pannier). Lifted easily with my back against the bike in a squat position. Finished out going down a sandy ATV trail, slowly with my feet keeping the bike up. Didn't realize how difficult the deep sand was going to be. I'm used to lightweight dirt bikes that you can just lean back on the pegs, float the front end and power through.
Looking for recommendations on how to avoid losing the bike in sand. I have had no problem driving through semi compressed sand but this stuff was ridiculous. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. I plan to ride through this again so I'm not wanting to avoid such conditions, just want to work out the best way to manage the bike. Thanks. :mrgreen:
 

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Dirt bikes(M/X) are my background as well so I am quite familiar with sand riding. With this heavy bike and poor suspension, about all that is left is to put dirt oriented tires on and it ride it like you described(standing and letting the bike move). Once the front begins to plow, you are at the whim of Lady Luck. Either it continues to plow and you low-side, or it suddenly grabs and you might save it....or high-side if your speed is high. Sand and the Wee is like oil and water. They don't mix well. You can do everything perfectly, yet the combo of sand and this heavy bike will bite you.
 

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Steering damper and fork brace helped a lot with the bike going where I wanted it to go.

Loose coarse sand, from 20kph feet down to 90kph yawning.

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Congratulations or my sympathys on the bike drop as needed. Hate to do that myself but it do happen.
Gotta ask a question about hunting practices...Dropping some corn where I'se gonna kill bambi? Isn't that like chumming fish? I thought that was illegal. Kinda like gathering the hairy lumps for a fish in the barrel shoot. Not that I really mind. fewer deer, safer roads. It just struck me as funny as described. Happy hunting and a toast to you when having a nice roast of your kill!:yesnod:
 

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Congratulations or my sympathys on the bike drop as needed. Hate to do that myself but it do happen.
Gotta ask a question about hunting practices...Dropping some corn where I'se gonna kill bambi? Isn't that like chumming fish? I thought that was illegal. Kinda like gathering the hairy lumps for a fish in the barrel shoot. Not that I really mind. fewer deer, safer roads. It just struck me as funny as described. Happy hunting and a toast to you when having a nice roast of your kill!:yesnod:
Funny you should ask. In the state of wisconsin it is legal to drop up to two gallons of corn up until days before the season opens. Another question could be is this practice very sporting? I guess its all in how you view the hunt. I mostly deer hunt for the meat harvest and don't find rifle hunting very sporting to begin with. I just got back into deer hunting last year and haven't hunted before that since separating from the army. I guess chasing down prey who can return fire made me lose the taste for it. Thought I would use the bike for the fun of riding. I assumed riding in the sand would be risky, plan to do it again. Just want to ride smarter.
 

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Dirt bikes(M/X) are my background as well so I am quite familiar with sand riding. With this heavy bike and poor suspension, about all that is left is to put dirt oriented tires on and it ride it like you described(standing and letting the bike move). Once the front begins to plow, you are at the whim of Lady Luck. Either it continues to plow and you low-side, or it suddenly grabs and you might save it....or high-side if your speed is high. Sand and the Wee is like oil and water. They don't mix well. You can do everything perfectly, yet the combo of sand and this heavy bike will bite you.
Not sure if I'm ready to switch to dirt tires. Think I would lose alot of the good road manners my current stock shoes provide. I will look into slightly more aggressive tread when the time comes to replace.
 

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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151171668090290&set=a.10150718094290290.711429.607730289&type=1&theater

A fellow Vstrom rider in BC swears by them...both on highway and off road - V-Strom Owners Club of Canada

Good luck hunting!...I butchered a 170 lb 6pt buck last week :)
Thank you guys Notacop and Millwright98 for the Heidenaus tire tip. I think I have seen these on Twisted Throttles website for the V-strom. I do like the tread design. There are a lot of riders on ADV who like them too.

Millwright98, congrats on you prize. I think a 6 point is about the right harvest size although 170 lbs is a sizeable animal. Enjoy the processing and cooking some taste tenderloin medallions.
 

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Have you guys seen this video?


Adventure riding - 03 riding through sand - YouTube

I don't know if that's the answer or not. :confused: I'm only now starting to work on developing some adventure riding skills and have been watching everything I can find on youtube. No sand experience yet though.
Yeah, some good information. Funny, when I have watched or gone looking for heavy adv bikes riding through the sand, it seems like the majority face the bike when they try to lift. I guess I used to pick up my dirt bike that way but for the V-strom the technique of squatting with back against the bike works great. Personally, I plan to ride more in the sand and work on my skill level to handle the bike before I take a serious trip involving deep sand.
 

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Warn the newbies about dirt

Folks, I am not so much a newbie to street riding as I am to putting a bike on dirt - never really done it before. Wished I would have read some of these posts before I decided to take my Suzy for a soft ride on the dirt road adjacent to to the eastern levee of the Bonnet Carre Spillway. I was luck to come away with a tweaked knee and a busted pinky (bike took some very minor damage) when I attempted to take on a wet (clay) spot at somewhere between 15 and 20 mph - glad that I wasn't going any faster. By the way the OEM hand guard provides little to no physical protection to the brake lever and most importantly, the hand. In any event, I saw that patch coming up and decided not to slow down for fear of getting mired in the existing tire tracks. To make a long story short, my front wheel caught a groove, and my rear wheel came out from under me toward the left, which launched me into the side of the levee. That Louisiana clay was slicker'en owl shit, and when I finally got a good look at my stock tires, it looked like the bike was sporting racing slicks. Moral of this story is to know your limitations as well as the bike's. Just because it's called an adventure bike doesn't mean that it can be used as a motocross machine, especially in stock setup mode. Hoping to get back on after replacing windscreen, part of the front cowling, and front brake lever, oh, and after I regain some decent stability in my right leg. Live to Ride!
 

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FYI. With knobs on the DL is actually pretty competant on those slick as snot surfaces. It's so heavy it tends to dig in and get more traction than real dirt bikes, you can just chug through while they end up flying off the trail in random directions.

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FYI. With knobs on the DL is actually pretty competant on those slick as snot surfaces. It's so heavy it tends to dig in and get more traction than real dirt bikes, you can just chug through while they end up flying off the trail in random directions.

Pete
Would be nice to have a set of spokes with knobbilie dirt tires to switch to on the occassions they are used. May be more work than its worth.
 

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I only have 1 sand experience.... almost was a horizontal experience. Looking back.. should not have been two up, should not have had Trailwings, should not have gone into loose sand....
 

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Don't want to hijack this thread from 'falling down in sand' to 'hunting deer'….

The Strom is a remarkably competent all-round bike for everything from touring to occasional track days to commuting to fire-roading. There does seem to be a pretty strong consensus, though, that it is NOT a suitable choice for technical riding due to its weight. I took mine to CO last year and rode it over several passes, but wouldn't want to fight it on slippery or sandy terrain.

As for hunting, the deer in the midwest--and particularly in SW Ohio--have become as prevalent a pest as rats….170# rats at that. Any way to remove them from the roads and put them either in the freezer or on the wall is fine with me. I'd be perfectly fine hunting them with grenades if it was legal. Heck, little old ladies are using Buicks to hunt them pretty effectively now….

From the trail cam on my property three years ago (and yes, that is a corn pile):






(What's wild is that I found the sheds from this guy the previous fall)

This year's buck:

 

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Holy CRAP.......... I would love to have the head(and the meat) off anyone of those buck.:jawdrop: Where I hunt, if you get a 6 pointer, your a pretty lucky guy. of course there's a lot of pressure around here for deer.:green_lol:
 
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