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I was in the process of pulling the trigger on a DL2 (my k7 died in a car accident but no damage to me). Spent a few hours at the dealer this morning stitting on the bike and trying to evaluate the comfort of the new ergo (can't demo ride because of the winter around here). I was able to compare it to a leftover 2011 Wee still in the showroom. I was kind of surprise to notice that (at least for me) the older wee seems to be a little bit more comfortable.

I know it's a personal thing (and maybe it's because I'm use to my k7), but all the reviews seems to conclude that the new ergo and seat are better on the 2012, that the pilot is closer to the controls. From my short experience with it this morning, my impression was that, on the contrary, my arms were stretching more to reach the handlebars on the DL2.

Can the DL2 riders coming from older wee comments on ergo and comfort of the 2012? I would prefer not to go with the 2011 as a little change is nice after 5 years with my k7. Thanks for sharing.
 

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Screen feels much better.

Jury still out on the seat, but reach to ground seems slightly easier.

Mirror wideners essential on both bikes.

50 mm bar risers on '07, have not yet felt a need on the '12.

Foot pegs too high on new bike.

More later after I have more than 20 miles on it.
 

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Never had a pre 2012 model but I do agree Im stretching a bit with this bike so I did order a 25mm handlebar riser which I hope takes care of this problem. Also I agree with tmcgee that mirror wideners are a must.
 

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I'm 5'11" and skinny.

I had a 2004 DL650, and now the 2012 version. I've done around 2,000kms on my 2012, I had done 87,500kms on the 2004.

Neither bike needs mirror wideners. I can see perfectly well on either. Way better than any other bike I'd ridden.

2012 seat is better quality foam, it is more comfortable after a long ride.

You can feel the seat is a little higher on the 2012, it makes you feel like your more on the bike rather than in the bike. A little more motard like in feeling. I like it, it's comfortable.

I generally don't ride on the freeway, so I have no issues with the screen or with wanting a bigger screen. The 2012 screen does produce less buffeting.

I don't understand the "foot pegs are too high comment". They are the same footpegs as the old model, they are mounted on the frame in the same way. They are higher off the ground as the new bike is higher in the rear suspension and has more ground clearance. The seat to footpeg distance is very similar between models.

The new handlebars are a different bend. Whether they are much further forward or not probably depends on how the dealer put the bike together and where exactly he set the bars in the triple clamps.

Here is an animated gif I made to show the differences;
http://www.offroadvw.net/bikes/2011vs2012DL650small.gif

The exhaust is shorter, the lights and fairing is smaller and shorter, both centralising the mass. The higher rear suspension has resulted in a slightly steeper rake on the forks. The suspension is setup more sporty.
 

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Nice job on the animation, looking at the bike it seems that the luggage rack is a bit longer but that might just be something else moving the rack back further, such as a longer seat? My dealer also stated that by moving the handlebar bend around it might reach a bit farther. But I can definetly feel myself leaning foward resting on the handlebars when I ride, I prefer a more upright position, just have shorter arms than most I guess.
 

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I couldn't stand the stock bars on either model. In both cases I put taller bars on.

My seating position on the 06 feels a bit more relaxed, my arms are higher relative to the bars.

The seat on the 2012 is excellent.

I modded the seat on my 06 by putting gel between the seat pan and the foam, so it's 1/2" taller and feels O.K. for a couple of hours, the stocker was definitely getting nasty after an hour or so .

The 2012 seat is all day comfortable.

The seat height to ground is higher, but for me there's a bit less room between my seat and my feet. Easiest to pick the difference seated, on the 2012 my thighs are almost parallel with the ground, on the 06 they slope down.

That matches with the bar/arm relative height as well. The top of the seat on the 2012 appears to be closer to the top frame of the bike than on the 06.

I'm fairly sure the 2012 bike is more comfortable over long distances, but it feels different.

I went for a quick ride on the 06 10 minutes ago to check. They feel like totally different bikes.

Pete
 

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How tall are you?

Suzuki did what a lot of manufacturers are doing: made the front of the seat (and bike) narrower. This makes it easier for shorter riders to flat foot at stoplights. A taller rider would be farther back on the saddle, so it doesn't create a problem. A gif of the top view would be cool.

It is definitely an evolutionary change. The newer engine specs and slightly lighter weight are IMHO the primary benefit of the new design.
 

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I don't understand the "foot pegs are too high comment".
When I went to ride the bike away from the dealer, and leaving every stoplight on the way home, the foot pegs just weren't as far away as I expected and I had to make an extra effort to get my feet onto them. I'm getting old and my legs don't bend like they used to bend, but I have 85k+ miles on the older bikes and there is a diff for me. Maybe it's the new seat geometry, I don't know.

Richland Rick's peg lowering kit has arrived and will fix the problem.
 

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When I went to ride the bike away from the dealer, and leaving every stoplight on the way home, the foot pegs just weren't as far away as I expected and I had to make an extra effort to get my feet onto them. I'm getting old and my legs don't bend like they used to bend, but I have 85k+ miles on the older bikes and there is a diff for me. Maybe it's the new seat geometry, I don't know.

Richland Rick's peg lowering kit has arrived and will fix the problem.
Tmcgee,

I have been following your posts on your new bike. Any chance you might post some pics?
 

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If you are cornering hard often, the pegs already drag even with uprated springs and suspension. Personally I favor increasing the height of the seat.

The Buell pegs drop them about 3/4" without moving anything.
 

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Tmcgee,

I have been following your posts on your new bike. Any chance you might post some pics?
They're coming. The next few days will be in the 50's in New England. Gonna ride for my service calls today.
 

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I couldn't stand the stock bars on either model. In both cases I put taller bars on.

My seating position on the 06 feels a bit more relaxed, my arms are higher relative to the bars.

The seat on the 2012 is excellent.

I modded the seat on my 06 by putting gel between the seat pan and the foam, so it's 1/2" taller and feels O.K. for a couple of hours, the stocker was definitely getting nasty after an hour or so .

The 2012 seat is all day comfortable.

The seat height to ground is higher, but for me there's a bit less room between my seat and my feet. Easiest to pick the difference seated, on the 2012 my thighs are almost parallel with the ground, on the 06 they slope down.

That matches with the bar/arm relative height as well. The top of the seat on the 2012 appears to be closer to the top frame of the bike than on the 06.

I'm fairly sure the 2012 bike is more comfortable over long distances, but it feels different.

I went for a quick ride on the 06 10 minutes ago to check. They feel like totally different bikes.

Pete
O.K. had a long hard think, swapped bikes a few times. The animation shows it well. On the 2012 bike you'll normally be sitting further from the controls - the front of the seat is further back.

Long rides, no problems, on dirt, no problems.

The short commute to work, better on the K6 - the problem for me is a combination of the desire to sit upright (low speed so no wind to lean into and better visibility) - the extra pressure on my wrists and the need to use the clutch a lot more which made the 2012 bike uncomfortable.

The solution for me is to shuffle right forward when commuting, that gets me in near the same riding position I used to have on the K6, takes the pressure off my wrists and means I'm not operating the controls at a stretch. O.K. my bits & pieces get a bit squeezed, but it's a short trip, I can live with that.

Pete
 

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It's weird how it's different for different people :)

95% of my riding is commuting to and from work, ~30min / 27km each way. I found them both similar in comfort. On the K4 I would occasionally get a sore right wrist, I haven't had the problem on the L2.

Both seats were fine for that distance. The L2 feels taller for me, with a slightly further reach to the ground. My legs don't seem to notice any difference in peg to seat distance. I sit pretty much upright on both bikes.

L2 windscreen is better, I can ride with my helmet open and the buffeting doesn't try and slam it shut like on the K4 over about 70kph.

The better economy is really noticeable. I used to do 380km before filling up, and put 18-19L in depending on how hard I rode. Now on the L2 I do 425km and then only put 17L in.
 

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2012 windscreen

I get no buffeting, but have decided I want more wind protection at 70mph+. Have ordered the MRA laminar screen like I have on the '07 and had on the '05.

EDIT: MRA screen is backorders until April 5th. <grumble grumble>
 

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When I went to ride the bike away from the dealer, and leaving every stoplight on the way home, the foot pegs just weren't as far away as I expected and I had to make an extra effort to get my feet onto them. I'm getting old and my legs don't bend like they used to bend, but I have 85k+ miles on the older bikes and there is a diff for me. Maybe it's the new seat geometry, I don't know.
Richland Rick's peg lowering kit has arrived and will fix the problem.
There's definitely something different - my nephew has an '07 Wee, and the '12 is certainly less relaxed, ergo-wise.
The footpegs are definitely closer to the seat - I missed the peg a couple times myself on the first ride, and, possibly a bit further to the rear.
My legs aren't bending like they used to, either (arthritis). The RichlandRick peg kit helped some, but I'm adding the higher seat, and either bar risers or, possibly, a new bar from Holeshot (Holeshot Performance Products, Inc.) that'll give me a few less inches forward lean. This getting old really stinks. Kinda' wished I'd listened to all those people who told me to take better care of myself when I was younger. Knees aren't designed for sports.. :thumbdown:
 

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'12 seat on first gen?

Based on how it looks alone, the '12 seat seems like it might be more comfortable than my '08. So here's a question: possible to put the '12 seat on a first gen? I'm assuming not due to some differences in geometry and so forth, but I wonder if anyone's tried.
 

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Based on how it looks alone, the '12 seat seems like it might be more comfortable than my '08. So here's a question: possible to put the '12 seat on a first gen? I'm assuming not due to some differences in geometry and so forth, but I wonder if anyone's tried.
No. That was the first thing I tried.

Seats are a different length.

Pete
 
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