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I just had a chance to test ride both bikes in the same afternoon. Both were 2008 models.

The DL650 had 2100 miles on it. The DL1000 had 1450 miles on it. Both bikes were 100% stock and part of Suzuki’s demo inventory at the Cycle World show here in AZ this weekend.

I have been 90% convinced I was going to buy a DL1000 but was surprised by the test ride.

The number one difference between the two bikes was the 1000’s engine seemed rough with more vibration, though it still had more power at lower RPMs. The 650’s engine was supper smooth with a surprising amount of power. I doubt I would feel the need to try and improve the 650's engine performance.

So my question is how much does the 1000’s engine smooth out with more miles and a little TLC in the form of TBS, improved PC III maps and sprocket change?

What is the history behind the DL1000's engine?

Thanks for any insight you can offer.

Follow up question: Is the 1000 engine as reliable as the 650? Does the smoothness of the engine effect maintenance cost and the amount of repairs required over time? I tend to keep vehicles for a long time. I maintain them well. I guess what I'm getting at is does the 1000 suffer from the extra vibration causing break downs?
 

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The 1000 engine benefits greatly from a TBS, but it will never be as smooth as the 650. Only buy a 1000 if you enjoy hammering the throttle and having torque give you a good kick in the gut. If that's not your thing and you're more interested in a nice smooth application of power then save some money and buy the 650. Both are great bikes, but you ride them very differently.
 

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This seems to be such a individual subject.
I can only say the DL does seem to smooth out after a while.
Like a dog training the "owner" I suppose.
I have about 4k on a 07 Dl 1000. When I first rode the bike I almost took it directly to the honda dealer to trade for a VFR. Glad I didn't. With no mods beyond a windsheild bracket, it is smooth enough for me. No problems unless I ride too long without a break (5-6 hours). I've never been on a wee so I can't compare them. I will say I like the power of the DL and would hesitate to give it up.
 

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I own a 650 and have a close friend that owns a 1000.

My 650 IS smoother than his 1000...but...his 1000 will pull wheelies with ease.

The 650 winds out just fine for top end and highway travel....it's the low end punch the 1000 has that the 650 doesn't.

My 1st ride on a Wee was after I bought mine sight unseen and rode it back to SC from TX straight through the night....I was very impressed by it's highway manners as that is not the purpose for which I chose it....but a nice bonus none-the-less!
 

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I've ridden both machines...both are superb and the Wee is a suprisingly powerful bike. The engine does seem a bit smoother on the Wee over the Vee. That said, there really isn't much difference in my opinion. You can ride non stop for hours on either without a problem from vibration. My Vee still only has 500 miles on it and is completely stock...but it is pretty smooth for a twin, and I have just given up a silky smooth four cylinder jap machine, so I know what I'm talking about. All the Vee's I've ridden are smooth...but overwhelmingly...very powerful! It's horses for courses...but I wouldn't give up my Vee's extra power!:cool:
 

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I just had a chance to test ride both bikes in the same afternoon. Both were 2008 models.

The DL650 had 2100 miles on it. The DL1000 had 1450 miles on it. Both bikes were 100% stock and part of Suzuki’s demo inventory at the Cycle World show here in AZ this weekend.

I have been 90% convinced I was going to buy a DL1000 but was surprised by the test ride.

The number one difference between the two bikes was the 1000’s engine seemed rough with more vibration, though it still had more power at lower RPMs. The 650’s engine was supper smooth with a surprising amount of power. I doubt I would feel the need to try and improve the 650's engine performance.//
Me, too.

I rode a DL1000 first and was not impressed. I would not have even looked at the DL650 until I was convinced by others that it was a lot more different bike than the specs show.

Along with better mileage and lower price, the DL650 engine is another reason why the DL650 outsells the DL1000.

YMMV
 

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are we really talking about this again? this is how i make my vee run well...

I fill up the tank with fuel...put on my gear and go ride....many, many miles and smile the whole time!
 

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Since you posted this in the "1000 Section", browse around and you'll get the info you seek.
 

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The DL1000 will never be as smooth. The DL650 or SV650 motor is probably the smoothest twin around. Like butter. Big liter twins always have a bit of lump to them, just comes with the territory. The 650 is just a sensational little motor, my SV650 was probably the most usable bike I've ever had. Only downside is the lack of grunt for two-up riding in comparison to the 1000. People seem to get by two-up on the 650 though. That's why I got the 1000.
 

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Here's food for thought...

I have not ridden a Wee, but my Vee has a coarse feel to it below 4000-4500 rpm on the whole. Any Vee owner knows that. Go above that range and it smooths out a lot.

What is the rpm that most folks spend their time at on a Wee (I am cuious the RPM at 75 mph on a stock geared bike)? We all accelerate and the smaller engine should feel smoother because of the much smaller power pulses. Once up to a given speed, the Wee runs at a higher rpm relative to the Vee, and probably by a good margin. By comparison it is at the higher engine speeds that the Vee smooths out IMO.

I'm guessing the smoothnes of the Wee is a combination of smaller reciprocating mass, running at higher cruise rpm where V twins tend to smooth out, and that something extra you get sometimes when all the aspects of a good design (Wee engine) come together to create the whole.

The Vee consists of two 500cc jugs, have you ridden a 500cc thumper lately? I rode my neighbors 1982 Yamaha XT 550 the other day and it's no better than my other friends 1 year old Honda XR650. NOT smooth. Large piston. I've been on smaller 250cc single cylinder bikes as well and they are much smoother. Technically the cylinders should cancel each other out, but they still are bigger pistons going up and down with much greater force, doing much more work.

Sorry to take up so much space in the thread. In my opinion it is all of the above that are coming together to make the differences.

LONG LIVE THE VEE and it's TORQUE CURVE!
 

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Like everyone else has been saying, it is almost impossible to make those big pistons moving up and down behave like smaller pistons.

As to history of the power plants. Very briefly and very dirty: the liter bike motor was developed as a race bike engine and then put into various street bikes. The 650 motor began life as a domestic Japanese street bike engine displacing about 400 cc and has been punched out to a 650 mill and then put into various street bikes, but was never intended to be race; although, of course, it has raced.

The history also helps explain some of the more harsh edges surrounding the liter bike motor.
 

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I LOVE my unrefined KStrom! You really get a visceral thrill when you get on the gas with this bike. Gas mileage and polite manners be damned! I like a bike that actually raises the pulse.

Nothing exceeds like excess!
 
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Every single person who've started a thread asking the same question always buy the 650. Go get the Wee.
 

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It's all about how you use it

I haven't ridden the 650. My 1000 smoothed out at 5000 mi to the point that I can't imagine wanting to give up the power. I run with some guys at a brisk 8/10's pace on KTM 950's, BMW GS 1150's, and a Triumph Tiger. I actually use the power band between 7000 rpm and 9000 rpm on the 1000. It's a rush and I'm never checking out taillights. The right tool for the right job.:cool::weapons_17:
 

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I have just shy of 20 thosuand on my 1000, with everything properly adjusted. I am actually amazed at how smooth my engine is, how it accelerates, no vibrations, shifts good, pulls like a train, and gets great gas mileage. The 1000 engine actually gets better with mileage, believe it or not. Lean FI isn't going to cure itself, as well as any adjustments that need to be made. If and I mean IF.......there is any sync or FI issues, get those sorted out and this engine really is a sweet unit.

But I tend to agree with Shep....most folks seem to be made for the 650. I won't try to further explain why I purchased a 1000, but I'm sure glad I bought one.;)
 

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DL1000 vs. DL650

The other guys have gotten it right.

650:
- Smoother engine
- Less HP and torque
- Better fuel economy (if it really matters)
- Overall good solo ride

1000:
- Rougher engine
- more ponies and torque
- less fuel economy
- if you have the need for speed or ride two up frequently, this is the better choice
 

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I haven't spent a ton of time on the 1000, but what I did felt nice enough. I didn't notice a ton of vibration. Mind you, this was my friend Sylvain's bike that had I think about 160,000 to 200,000 km on it (100,000 to 120,000 miles) so it was well broken in at the time.

How does the vibration level of the DL1000 compare with other twin cylinder liter bikes?

..Tom
 

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If you are the type of person, like me, that would choose an Acura Integra RSX or maybe an old VW Rabbit GTI over, say, a V8 Mustang or older Camaro you would probably choose the Wee over the Vee.


Basically two different opinions of what makes for a fun and pleasant driving/riding experience.
 
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