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I haven't ridden in 20 years. My last bike was a 1985 Intercept 500. Before that I had a used Suzuki SP370 that I took me around the South Island of New Zealand. That was a fun but under powered bike. I am a bit apprehensive about riding again, which is why I have been looking at bikes for nearly two years but I haven't bought anything.

I also don't know what I truly want. But I do know that I don't want a crotch rocket, or cruiser. I want something tall, with an upright sitting position, so that I can see over vehicles and they can see me if a vehicle is between me and them. I want to do the occasional logging roads in Maine where ATVs regularly travel. Some of the roads can be rocky but most are gravel. I want to commute, which includes some highway. My wife will occasionally ride with me. I am not sure if I will do any expedition types of travel, but who knows. I do think about traveling to Alaska but will most likely do that in my land cruiser.

My first choice so far is the new F800GS that I haven't set eyes on yet since they aren't in dealers. I think it seems to be the best dual purpose bike, but do I really need that much off-road ability? Not sure. I did pose this question to a local BMW club and some suggested I check out the V-Strom bikes. That is a high form of praise if other bike riders recommend another brand.

I have two Suzuki dealers nearby. One has a black DL1000 on the floor and is close to my house. They offered $8199 but I am trying to clarify if that includes doc, prep, freight. I am not sure if that is a good price since 2009 will be out soon and there isn't many riding months left.

The other Suzuki dealer, 30+ miles away, has a yellow DL650 without ABS. I haven't approached them on price yet.

I am not sure how much either dealer has room to move on the price. I also know they have business to run and I don't mind them making a profit.

What kind of prices should I be looking at for OTD (not including tax, registration and title) for either of these bikes?

My other option is to sit tight and wait for the BMW F800GS to make its appearance,,,

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$8199 seems like a good price to me...

I was pretty happy with the deal I got on an '08 DL1k that I bought in May. I paid about $8500 OTD before taxes. After taxes, I was still below MSRP.

So, if the $8199 is for an '08, then I think it is a good price. Just my 2 cents.

You can get dealer prices at http://www.cyclebuy.com. They charge a fee, but for me it was worth it.

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I know a high-volume dealer here in MN was selling DL650s for approximately $5,900 + tax earlier this year. I purchased mine from him 4 years ago for $5,795 + tax. Many dealers charged more than this.
 

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Denver6: Yep, both are 2008 models.

Tomstromie: sounds like I have a bit of wiggle room on the price. Perhaps I can work in some accessories into the price.

My advantage is that I am not in a rush to buy a motorcycle so I can walk away from offers and come back later.
 

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I'm backing away from the question a bit... You aren't buying a price, you are buying a motorcycle. I focused in on drilling down to what motorcycle I wanted to buy, then went out and found the right deal for me.

The F800GS is a seductive mirage... But getting one will not be easy, as the sign up sheets have been in the dealerships for 6 months and in most cases already have enough buyers in waiting for that dealerships first year of bikes.

I have an 06 DL1000. I had the BMW F650GS prior, and it was an excellent machine.

It was enough bike to give me the Alaska itch, but not enough bike to take me there *IMHO.

I knew what I wanted to do, and had an idea of what size I'd need, and like you - other BMW riders turned me on to the Strom.

Rode it and fell in love. Now farkling like no tomorrow.

The riding you envision sounds better suited for the DL650, or F650GS/F800GS.

I'd suggest one of those 3 bikes to get back into the saddle.

Like you, I hadn't ridden a street bike for 20 years, so it was a new thing.

On my BMW, I owned it for about 8 months, put 4,000 miles on it, and sold it for just a few hundred $$ less than I had invested.

I buy used, motorcycles are an item that a lot of people think they want, buy them new, and within a year are kind of tired of the thought or in need of cash, and sell them with the thing barely broken in. There is a small element of risk, but in my opinion not much.

Now is a great time to be thinking "buy", because private owners and dealers alike are prepping for winter and thinking "sell".

Good luck.
 

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Anyone who buys one of those GS800's first off the line is just looking for trouble.

Go with the Wee now and get an 800 in year three of production.

The twin wee 650 has more power and is smoother than any 650 thumper.

Oh, and less than $6kUS on any new wee without abs
 

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Hey guys, thanks for the responses

osii: I agree that one should wait about buying new models, but the motor in the GS has been around.

It is one of those difficult delimas. What do you what to do with a motorcycle and what will you actually do with a motorcycle?

I am not set on either the DL650 or the DL1000, but I wouldn't mind a DL650 with ABS.

The only thing that is making me think of the DL1000 over the DL650 is the power (besides which one is the better deal from the dealer). Why? I have been in situations when vehicles don't see me, and move into my lane. It is easier to accelerate into a free space ahead, vesus trying to look, and move left or right, or brake hard not knowing if the vehicle behind you can brake in time. I would have to drop a gear to get the acceleration on a DL650 while I might just have to roll the throttle on the DL1000 to get out of trouble. No clue because I haven't tried any DL at 60-80mph acceleration.

Experienced DL riders should be able to comment on DL 60-80mph acceleration differences between the two bikes.

In those previous situations, I was riding a Honda 500 Inteceptor, where peak power doesn't occur until after 8000rpm, and I might be cruising on the highway at 5000rpm. It was a pig if I tried to get out of trouble if I didn't downshift and get the RPMs into the power band. I was able to do it on the 500, so perhaps it isn't really that big of an issue. Just something I thought I might throw out.

I might try and pickup a used DL650 and ride that for a few years. I am looking at the classifields here as well as craigslist. No used DLs at the two dealers I visited.
 

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Looks like my wife is pushing for me to get ABS..which rules out the DL1000 but not the DL650 or the BMWs.
 

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Tons of wee's for sale on advrider.

True, that 800 has been around long enough for BMW to get the FI mapping figured out. I still wouldn't buy any 1st year BMW bike.

It's just tough for me to beat the economic bang you get from the wee. You have to put 40,000 miles on one to depreciate it $2000. Wait until you see the hit you take on a high mileage BMW. It's hard to find a used wee for less than $4500. And you can buy them brand new for $6,000.
 

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Hi Galroc,

I agree with RonSchon. Its not about price. It's really more about what you intend to do with the bike. I chose the DL1000 because I wanted the extra on the road power. Where I live now there is not much opportunity for true off road.

It sounds to me like there are couple of things you mentioned that I believe you should consider. Number one is ABS, not going to benefit you off road and is not like a car abs system on the road. Don't rely to heavily on ABS in other than straight line upright braking. A skilled rider most often will prefer modulating the brakes himself because there are many situations where you need to control the braking. Just my .02.

As for passing power on the highway it really depends on your normal riding technique. What I mean is you are talking about bikes with six speed gearboxes and overdrive. At 60 mph on the Vee you probably won't be in OD but if you are and you want real power you will have to downshift to 5th to gain evasive power. At 80 mph you might be in 5th but again to get a real jolt at that speed you will still probably want to downshift. I don't believe either bike will leave you wanting for power at 60mph at 80mph I think you will want the Vee but it sounds like you want instant on power and for that you will need gearing and rpm IMHO. What I can tell you is with the Vee if you are at 80 mph and you drop a gear and twist you will be at 90 and then 100 mph quicker than you might imagine. Remember, the Vee and from what I have heard, the Wee like to be revved.

One last comment that you may want to consider is your size. Your height, weight and inseam will play important roles in which bike you choose if you want to go off-road. If you only plan to ride gravel roads and forest service roads either bike will probably be okay because as any off-road rider knows, feet need to stay on the pegs, not the ground:var_52:. However, if the height of the Vee will cause you to lower it and lose travel, that will obviously affect you off-road and should be taken into account.

In conclusion, IMHO if you will spend 90% of your time on the road, the Vee will make you happiest. If you plan on spending 30% or more of your ride time off road the wee is probably your best choice. It depends on what your definition of occasionally is?:bom_rolleyes5:
 

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I am working with a local Suzuki dealership, Cycle Design in Athol, in finding a Wee with ABS. So far they have been very pleasant and willing to work with me. Communication via Email has been great with them. They are the ones with the black DL1000 on the floor. There are DL650AK8s at other dealerships (ME and NY) that she is working on transferring. She is supposed to be checking the main warehouse as well to see if there are any there.

I did go into an unnamed BMW dealership in central mass last night to get an OTD quote on a F800GS. First, they don't seem to respond to email. I hate that. Second, the salesman has told me multiple times not to believe what I read on the internet. I have been on the internet for 20+ years. I think I know a thing or two about the internet. Thirdly, he couldn't tell me delivery time for the F800GS, or for any BMW bike for that matter. It was like pulling teeth. I asked him if I wanted to custom order BMW bike X today, with options Y and Z, how long would it take. He didn't know. I asked him to give me an OTD price anyway. He basically totalled up the MSRP, added some fees and gave me that. I looked at him, thanked him and left.

That was the 4th and the last time I walk into that BMW dealership.

I agree that the ABS is useful in some situations, mostly straight line braking on slippery surfaces. I don't think I will be riding in the rain. But, unlike paying MSRP, I don't mind paying for ABS and wife is making it a must have feature! :-D

Thanks for the information about passing power. Either bike, I will be dropping a gear and rolling the throttle :)

My preference, in order:
1) DL1000 with ABS (N/A)
2) DL650 with ABS
3) DL1000
4) DL650 without ABS

Now, it is just a waiting game.

I am 5'10" with a 32" inseam, and 185lbs. I was over 200lbs, but I am slowly working my way down to 175.

When I sat on the DL1000 at Cycle Design, I really liked the feel of it. I liked the sitting position, the location of the handle bars, and foot pegs. Yes, I wasn't flat footed, but that didn't bother me. The bike did seem big, but I am comparing it to past memories of a Honda 500 Interceptor.

Excuse me while I put on my robe and wizard hat...
 

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I'm 5'11 200lbs owner of a Wee.
Drive 90% one up commuter town and highway (50 miles a day).

My Wee was $6400 out the door 2 months ago (Included centerstand). Good luck finding a ABS, and "IF" you do, most are asking over MSPR for your honor to buy from them.

If I were riding two up alot, I'd want a Vee. I don't.

Wee andvantages (for me): Price, mileage.

If/When I get the power itch? I'll add an FJR.
 

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if you really want ABS and there is one at another dealership, buy it there. Dealers do not like to trade bikes with other dealers. They basically have to buy it and then sell it to you. That is why they are stalling you. They are not going to make a dime after buying it and transporting it to their shop.

Most BMW dealerships do not discount. And they really don't know when they will get bikes. Some of the things I could tell you about BMW operations would amaze the average person.
 

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The local Suzuki dealer didn't contact me today. So, you might be right about the stalling. Perhaps she is working on the distributor.

She told me there are 4 DL680AK8 in NY and 1 in ME. I do travel to Maine once in a while. If I knew which dealership it was, I could try to pick it up. Or, I could buy the local black DL1000.

I did contact another BMW dealership today and they actually responded to my email within minutes, and told me that they aren't offering discounts at this time. Hey, at least I tried and they at least responded. My local BMW dealer has a web site and a contact email, but they have never actually responded to an email. I am officially closing the book on the F800GS for this year.
 

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I like to finish topics that I start.

I ended up buying a used 2005 Triumph Tiger. Price was right, bike was local and a few farkles. No ABS ofcourse. I won't mind dropping this bike compared to a new bike.

The Suzuki dealership never got back to me on a vstrom with ABS.

Later everyone!
 
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