Dealer freight & Dealer setup charges

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abv_079

Discussion Starter · 4 mo ago

Hello all, I just got a quote from a dealer for a used V-Storm 1050 XT adventure and I see dealer freight charge for $998, dealer set up charge for $988 and documentation charge for $599. This is my first experience dealing with a motorcycle dealer and wanted to check with you all if these are normal charges? Thanks in advance for helping.

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Rvator56

· #2 · 4 mo ago

Freight and setup are only for new vehicles and are a one time fee. Only the Doc fee should be charged to you. They pad it but not much you can do. Now if its a demo then it has not been sold to anyone yet and you would be charged for them.
And just for the record they are charging double what most charge and I would tell them to go pound sand.

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abv_079

Discussion Starter · #3 · 4 mo ago

Rvator56 said:
Freight and setup are only for new vehicles and are a one time fee. Only the Doc fee should be charged to you. They pad it but not much you can do. Now if its a demo then it has not been sold to anyone yet and you would be charged for them.
And just for the record they are charging double what most charge and I would tell them to go pound sand.

Thank you for your response. I am not sure but it seems like a demo motorcycle because it has very low miles (I will have to check with the dealer).

D.T.

· #4 · 4 mo ago

😳 😳 😳

USED??

I'd put up a link to this "dealer" if I were you.

LV Strom1k

· #5 · 4 mo ago

Sounds like might be one of the more aggressive RideNow dealerships....

(just a wild guess)

Marmora

· #6 · 4 mo ago

Freight charge.Is that for a tractor trailer full of bikes being shipped across the country?

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Tngarren

· #7 · 4 mo ago

Unless you need financing, there is significant money to be saved by a private sale.
Best to you.

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PerazziMx14

· #8 · 4 mo ago

Don't get caught up in all the fee's/charges as they really do not matter. The only number that matters is the OTD price. How the dealership gets to that OTD number is up to them.

Simply ask the dealership to give you the OTD price and if that is within reason buy the bike. If it stratospherically high thank the dealer for his time and walk away.

Cheers,

P-14

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Northern Pike

· #9 · 4 mo ago

Crooks.

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richlandrick

· #10 · 4 mo ago

Go to Cycletrader and check what others are offering. There are many dealers out there that offer no haggle, no extra fee prices below retail. You may have to drive a few hours, but in my experience it is worthwhile.

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StretchNM

· #11 · 4 mo ago (Edited)

As was said a couple of three times already, and so importantly so, concern yourself with the Out-the-Door price ONLY. To the last cent - OTD. Now, you should not discard the banter and bargain part of buying. Find out what that used bike is worth, then decide what it's worth TO YOU, then make your offer. As @PerazziMx14 says, what they do with all the fees they claim originally is up to them.

With new bikes, Suzuki charges them freight and then the dealer does have to "assemble" the bike from the crate. So they do have money invested, but that doesn;t negate the OTD bargaining, it just should enter your reasoning when you bid on a new bike. Remember, MSRP is what it means: Mfr Suggested Retail Price. You can still banter and bargain on new bikes.

On used bikes if a dealer paid freight to ship a used bike from point A to point B, then that's on them. Nobody forced them to freight used bikes around. They can eat that and sell the bike or let it sit until someone comes along who will buy into that nonsense. But in any event, don't bargain with a dealer over his claimed freight, assembly, and document fees, just take them into account in your mind when arguing your OTD price.

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abv_079

Discussion Starter · #12 · 4 mo ago

Thank you all for your responses. I will keep you all posted on how the deal went !!

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Rvator56

· #13 · 4 mo ago

PerazziMx14 said:
Don't get caught up in all the fee's/charges as they really do not matter. The only number that matters is the OTD price. How the dealership gets to that OTD number is up to them.

Simply ask the dealership to give you the OTD price and if that is within reason buy the bike. If it stratospherically high thank the dealer for his time and walk away.

Cheers,

P-14

Very true. Good point.

Solarguy

· #14 · 4 mo ago

Plenty of good advice in this thread.

I don't object to a dealer making money. I do object to playing games with the numbers. Some places will advertise a very good price for bike xyz, but when you try to actually buy the motorcycle you discover all these gotcha fees.

Bait and switch they call it. Technically illegal in most places. If it was not a great price AND they want these exceptionally high gotcha fees, then I would tell them their price is ridiculous and walk out. And tell all my friends to never go there. I bet their service is overpriced too, it's usually a package deal.

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drrod

· #15 · 4 mo ago

Things may be different in other countries, but here in the GWN, freight and PDI are included in the MSRP.
Doesn't stop dealers from trying to add it on though.

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So if you see MSRP plus freight and PDI on the sticker the dealer is just adding that for more margin (at least here in Canada). Note the printing in the balloon. Freight and PDI are already included. This is from Honda's website

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It may be different in the US. ie. the freight and pdi may not be included in the msrp but interesting, freight is set by the manufacturer and is the same, regardless of location of the dealer, So if the dealer is jacking the freight up, over the set amount, that should not happen.

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I just wish that all the "games" wouldn't be played. Have a price and that is the price OTD. No BS. However, as much as the dealers are at fault for playing the games, customers are as well. Many want to feel that they are great "deal makers" so will do all the bargaining anyway.

Personally, I have a price that I will pay for something. I ask the vendor what their price is OTD and if it is what I am willing to pay, or very close, I will buy. If it is not, I thank them for their time and leave. Life is too short for the games. Majority of times they will contact me and try again but if it is still not the price, I again thank them (no use being snotty as you may need them down the road) but decline their offer. When/if (many times they do) they call with a number I like, I will make the deal but I don't bargain. Simple yes or no. Saves a lot of time.

Biggest thing is to know the market value of what you are buying and what you are trading.

In the OP's case, freight should not be on the invoice as a line item.

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Dado8

· #16 · 4 mo ago

drrod said:
Things may be different in other countries, but here in the GWN, freight and PDI are included in the MSRP.
Doesn't stop dealers from trying to add it on though.

Definitions - Vehicle Lease or Loan Calculator - Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada

ic.gc.ca

.

So if you see MSRP plus freight and PDI on the sticker the dealer is just adding that for more margin (at least here in Canada). Note the printing in the balloon. Freight and PDI are already included. This is from Honda's website
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It may be different in the US. ie. the freight and pdi may not be included in the msrp but interesting, freight is set by the manufacturer and is the same, regardless of location of the dealer, So if the dealer is jacking the freight up, over the set amount, that should not happen.

Mandatory vs. Non-Mandatory Dealer Fees: How to Decipher a Price Quote

Car price quotes may seem confusing at first, but once you figure them out, they are not so complicated. Find out how to decipher them and avoid being overcharged.

unhaggle.com

I just wish that all the "games" wouldn't be played. Have a price and that is the price OTD. No BS. However, as much as the dealers are at fault for playing the games, customers are as well. Many want to feel that they are great "deal makers" so will do all the bargaining anyway.

Personally, I have a price that I will pay for something. I ask the vendor what their price is OTD and if it is what I am willing to pay, or very close, I will buy. If it is not, I thank them for their time and leave. Life is too short for the games. Majority of times they will contact me and try again but if it is still not the price, I again thank them (no use being snotty as you may need them down the road) but decline their offer. When/if (many times they do) they call with a number I like, I will make the deal but I don't bargain. Simple yes or no. Saves a lot of time.

Biggest thing is to know the market value of what you are buying and what you are trading.

In the OP's case, freight should not be on the invoice as a line item.

@drrod just looking at Honda Canada and my screen looks a bit different?
Your screen;

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My screen:

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So for example if you pick 2023 AT Manual the MSRP is $20799 plus the F+PDI+fees $1278 it works out $22077 which is close (-$100) to the "SELLING PRICE" from your screen capture.

I only see MSRP that does not include F+PDI+fees?
Don't see the SELLING PRICE?

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24714

· #17 · 4 mo ago

I was looking at a Kawasaki KLX300 a dealer in VA has.
It was listed at $6099 (MSRP) so I called them to see what the OTD price would be.
$6918 less TTL. So $819 in fees.
A few days later I saw they had it listed on sale for $5499. $600 off MSRP.
So I called them back to see what the OTD price would be now. You guessed it. $6918 less TTL.
Same price as before. Fees now were $1419. Magically the fees increased by $600 at the same time the price decreased by $600.

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drrod

· #18 · 4 mo ago

Hmmmm.
Not sure what is going on. I just did it again, and when the "search" was finished, this is what I got.

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Doesn't look like the page I got the first time. Even though it looks different, the price is virtually the same as what I got the first time. I wonder if the province makes a difference? I am in Alberta. You ?

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StretchNM

· #19 · 4 mo ago

Out-the-Door (OTD) price of $XXXX (less tax, title, and registration) is NOT Out-the-Door price. OTD pricing means the exact payment required for you to ride it away, free and clear.
Now, if you are buying out of state, then TTL (tax, title, registration[license]) not being included is understandable because, except in cases where there is a "sister State" agreement for collecting taxes, no state is going to do title and registration for another state.

Dado8

· #20 · 4 mo ago

drrod said:
Hmmmm.
Not sure what is going on. I just did it again, and when the "search" was finished, this is what I got.
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Doesn't look like the page I got the first time. Even though it looks different, the price is virtually the same as what I got the first time. I wonder if the province makes a difference? I am in Alberta. You ?

Calgary
And I didn't select the province, my URL

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And this was yours

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