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I put crashed in quotes because I'm not sure what constitutes a real crash. After a day of riding the '06 Vee, I was coming up the switchbacks from Sedona. Traffic was moving slowly and I was a bit frustrated since the switchbacks are good peg-grinding turf. As the last 15 mph curve approached there was no traffic behind me, so I slowed way down to let the slow traffic get far enough ahead so that I could use the Vee in a more exciting way. The curve goes to the right, and as I was coming into the tightest part, laid over to almost peg contact, a car that had pulled over on the side of the road, was merging back into the lane. I couldn't see if there was oncoming traffic, so I didn't go wide into the other lane. I had to use the brakes. I thought I had it, but at the end of the maneuver I either reached the point that front brake+turn got me, or the rear wheel broke free and the back end slid out. Whichever it was, the bike and I both fell left (making me think it was too much rear break and the rear tire broke free). I bounced once, felt the back of my helmet hit the road (and all I could think was, "God I'm glad I wear a helmet") and it was over.

I picked myself up, grabbed the bike (it's always easier to pick up a bike when your adrenaline is still coursing full throttle through your brain) and got it to the side of the road to assess the damage. Damage to me was a light bruise on the hip. I had full gear on including padded/armored pants, jacket, riding boots, gloves and full face helmet (ATGATT!).

The bike damage was a busted left turn signal, bent shift lever, bent over left bar end weight, trashed left foot peg (the mount is ok); nasty rash on the left upper fairing, SW Motech crash bars, left handguard, left edge of my nice new Madstad windscreen, and left side of the OEM centerstand. The soft panniers on the left rear are scratched up, but saved the rear end of the bike from damage.

Looking at Houseofmotorcycles[dot]com, I figure I'm in for about $200 in parts. I'll use a miller file to pare down the scrapped plastic and then progressively sand to 1000 grit and repaint, sand the crashbars and centerstand and put some paint on those.

I've had the Vee about three weeks, and I'll admit, I was probably riding dumb. I never foresaw that by creating that gap in traffic, I left that car an opening to merge back onto the road, and I was going too fast to fully control the situation. The upside was that I learned a lesson that is only going to cost me money and not my body. The Vee is an awesome bike, but I shouldn't ride it like it's track day on the open road. I'll miss riding it stupid, but I'd rather leave some of the performance behind, than wreck the bike or myself. Coming from my KLR650, I needed to learn a little humility I guess:blushing:

I'm glad I still have my KLR so I have something to ride while I put the Vee back together. I feel really dumb that I "crashed" the Vee. I drop the KLR all the time--it's what it's made for--and I don't let it bother me. What happened today is my first on-pavement motorcycle crash, and mentally it sucks, since it was really my own fault.
 

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Sounds like it could have been much worse - glad to hear you are ok. Bike parts can always be replaced. I always try to learn something from scary moments so hopefully they will be fewer and farther between! :yikes:
Hope you get the bike back up to 100% soon!
 

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Now that I think about it, the bike fell left on a right-hand turn, so I think it was front-brake+turn that got me. Since I went right (over the bike) and ended up on the road with the bike behind me, is that what they call a "high side" crash? My understanding is when you go under the bike (you and the bike fall in the same direction) it's a "low-sider" and when you go over the bike (opposite directions) it's a "high-sider". I'm told it's the high-siders that are most dangerous.
 

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Crapola............... Sounds like a highside.... I have been so close to that up on Mingus Mtn...
 

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Thanks! It's a gonna be a couple hundred bucks for parts I'd rather not have to lose, but I think the filling, sanding, painting will reinforce the lesson :yesnod:

Sounds like it could have been much worse - glad to hear you are ok. Bike parts can always be replaced. I always try to learn something from scary moments so hopefully they will be fewer and farther between! :yikes:
Hope you get the bike back up to 100% soon!
 

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Bummer. And... no scare quotes needed... I think a highside always qualifies as a crash. :)

I bet the rear end slid out a bit then caught some traction (you eased up on the rear brake or road surface conditions changed), tripping the bike and tossing you.

That sort of scenario is exactly why I try to maintain large safety margins when I ride public streets.

You're safe and that's the most important thing. Sounds like you're learning from your experience...been there...sucks, but it also sounds like you have a handle on the repairs. That's good.
 

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Now that I think about it, the bike fell left on a right-hand turn, so I think it was front-brake+turn that got me. Since I went right (over the bike) and ended up on the road with the bike behind me, is that what they call a "high side" crash? My understanding is when you go under the bike (you and the bike fall in the same direction) it's a "low-sider" and when you go over the bike (opposite directions) it's a "high-sider". I'm told it's the high-siders that are most dangerous.
Wow, quite a story and glad to hear you got off so light! I'd count that as one of my nine lives. Sure glad you had all the gear on.
 

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I'm fine. My wife is out of town at school, and I debated if I should tell her I had a crash. She loves riding with me, so I decided to "come clean". She took it badly. I tried to frame it as good news, i.e. "I had a crash, but I'm fine, and I learned something from it". Nope, she got all emotional and got into the "motorcycles are dangerous" thing on me--telling me about her student who crashed into a telephone pole and blew his eyeballs out, and is now blind, etc. I should have kept my mouth shut :headbang: I tried logic, e.g accidents happen in cars too and we keep driving them, but she was a little too wound up--hell, I was the one that slid over the pavement. She'll be fine eventually, and the more I think about it, the accident was great. We ride partly because it puts us out there, and if it wasn't a little bit dangerous, we might as well just buy a big SUV to go everywhere or stay at home. Riding is an ongoing learning process, and a crash you walk away from is a valuable lesson. I'm going to think a little more deeply about the kind of dangerous situations I can put myself into with the Vee, but if the wife want's to push the issue, I can always tell her I'll get back into skydiving :mrgreen:
 

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I know I'm going to catch flak for this, but someone needs to say it:

Why the hell were you going all-out on a public road in a curve with limited visibility?
One day they're going to outlaw motorcycles because of people like you.

Now that I've said it and that I feel better:
I'm glad you survived it and you seem to have learned your lesson.

Don't forget to spend some money on a new helmet as well. The one that hit the ground is no good anymore.
 

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I bet the rear end slid out a bit then caught some traction (you eased up on the rear brake or road surface conditions changed), tripping the bike and tossing you.
That's a classic high side all right. There's nothing quite like knowing what caused a crash to keep a person from doing it again. The street isn't the place to push the envelope. I learned that the hard way too.
 

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Duck... had the same thought, expressed it indirectly... but...

...you seem to have learned your lesson.
Then there's this:

...the more I think about it, the accident was great.
Wha? I can see saying all sorts of things, but that a motorcycle accident was great? Maybe it's one of those DL1000 things a 650 rider wouldn't understand. :confused:
 

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I know I'm going to catch flak for this, but someone needs to say it:

Why the hell were you going all-out on a public road in a curve with limited visibility?
One day they're going to outlaw motorcycles because of people like you.

Now that I've said it and that I feel better:
I'm glad you survived it and you seem to have learned your lesson.

Don't forget to spend some money on a new helmet as well. The one that hit the ground is no good anymore.
Aren't you the one who brags about exceeding the speed limit 90% of the time and how bloody wonderful you are ? You are the reason people get pi$$ed at bike riders.
 

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Duck... had the same thought, expressed it indirectly... but...



Then there's this:



Wha? I can see saying all sorts of things, but that a motorcycle accident was great? Maybe it's one of those DL1000 things a 650 rider wouldn't understand. :confused:
Great in that I learned something without physical harm in a situation where the consequences could have been much worse. And I think a DL650 rider could have possibly hurt themselves equally as well, but it is true that one must respect the 1000 in a way that I wasn't--lesson learned.

As for "Sitting Duck", I've only been here a short time, but I can see a troll from a short distance. I had a relative with the same low self esteem issues and they thrive in an environment where someone admits a vulnerability or failure--it creates in their immature/defective mind an opportunity to step up front through negative criticism--it's pathetic, but psychologically they need more help than one can give on a message board.
 

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I'll miss riding it stupid, but I'd rather leave some of the performance behind, than wreck the bike or myself. Coming from my KLR650, I needed to learn a little humility I guess:blushing:
Sounds like you learned a valuable lesson, with limited injury and damage. It will serve you well in the future. All riders with longevity learn lessons, some first hand, others by reading about them. Glad you avoided serious injury and thanks for passing along the experience. I'm sure others will learn from it.
 

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Aren't you the one who brags about exceeding the speed limit 90% of the time and how bloody wonderful you are ? You are the reason people get pi$$ed at bike riders.
Dude, there's a big difference between:
a) What I do: going fast (by north-american standards) on a relatively straight highway with good weather, visibility and light traffic.
b) What an idiot does: dragging a peg in a blind corner marked 15 mph.

The stupidity doesn't lie in the speed; it lies in the lack of visibility, and the lack of maneuvering reserve.

I don't understand your angry comment. When I ride, people don't get pissed at me; I do my thing, they do theirs, and we don't interact.
People who decide on motorcycle insurance premiums, or the people who will eventually decide whether to outlaw bikes because they are too "dangerous" look at (crash) statistics though. I don't figure in them. Our Op does, maybe you do too?

I don't "brag" about exceeding the speed limit; I merely state the fact.
I don't "brag" about how wonderful I am, I merely state that I don't crash or get ticketed.

To some people "skill" is in dragging pegs (I don't), insane wheelies (don't even know how), some ridiculous amount of gadgetry, or some other thing they believe is the standard for fun or cool.
My only "skill" is not-crashing; I leave it to others to decide whether it's a cool trick or not.
 

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As for "Sitting Duck", I've only been here a short time, but I can see a troll from a short distance. I had a relative with the same low self esteem issues and they thrive in an environment where someone admits a vulnerability or failure--it creates in their immature/defective mind an opportunity to step up front through negative criticism--it's pathetic, but psychologically they need more help than one can give on a message board.
Lol, you don't get it, do you?

I don't have any self-esteem issues, and if I did, I wouldn't be stupid enough to look to the internet for a solution.

Second, I thought you had learned a lesson from your crash, but you seem to be rationalizing and displacing responsibility away from yourself. I hope that's just internet bravado, because otherwise, it is a strong forecaster for your next crash, and you might not be so lucky then. That's duck-the-traffic-psychologist speaking, not duck-the-jerk.

It's ok to disregard the things I say if you don't like them, but I speak the truth in these matters. I wasn't trying to twist the knife in the wound; in fact, I offered some good advice that you may have ignored, so I'll repeat it here:

You need to buy a new helmet; you say your head hit the ground, and that means your helmet is no good anymore.

You don't have to listen to me, but you should listen to your wife; she knows you a lot better than I do, and she has good reasons to be afraid.
 

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I know I'm going to catch flak for this, but someone needs to say it:

Why the hell were you going all-out on a public road in a curve with limited visibility?
One day they're going to outlaw motorcycles because of people like you.

Now that I've said it and that I feel better:
I'm glad you survived it and you seem to have learned your lesson.

Don't forget to spend some money on a new helmet as well. The one that hit the ground is no good anymore.
Ooops. More duck splat.
 

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Those switchbacks out of Sedona are tourist rubber necking areas and tourists tend to be inattentive and stop to gawk in all the wrong places...glad you are OK. A lesson in expecting the unexpected.
Your 'crash' has the symptoms of a rear wheel lock up induced high side. It is interesting that the SW Motec crash bars did not do a great job of protecting the fairing...perhaps they do better in a low side drop.
 

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Actually, the Motechs did well. The scar is on the left front fairing at headlight height so it appears the bike rolled farther up/on the side than the bars could cover. Without the Motechs, I'd probably be replacing the entire left side fairing.
 

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Most common sense is acquired in some form of "the hard way". It's good when you get to learn from your own errors rather than it only being others who learn from your errors.

Generally all sports (and modes of transportation) have their risks...

I cast three Rapalas into the same bush today while trying to hit that particular 2-foot-diameter spot on the water. And when I finally hit the spot I still didn't get a strike.

You get to keep riding. We get to keep fishing.
 
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