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Well it's like this.
I have finished my first round of farkling and I have my Wee at the point where I wanted it.
I have added a bit weight to her, but so far the only suspension mods are,
Rick's fork brace, Yann's 1" rear risers, and a Scotts Stabilizer.
On the first trip on the stock Wee I took it on some dirt roads and found it 'squirmy'. Now when I took it on a dirt road it seemed more 'planted'. I was so comfortable I was actually aiming at the pot holes (only doing 40kph) and everything was, well good. Either I have suddenly become a better rider or the mods are making a difference.
The whole reason for setting up my Wee is I may or may not be doing an solo open ended trip around OZ (long story).
Reading about suspension improvements, I generally see comments along the lines of "why didn't I do this sooner"
So to the point, my question is this - Should I do suspension mods ?
An Elka rear, and front mods (I will decided what to do with the front later if I go ahead).
Will it "transform" my bike ?
(This is a new 2011 bike with 4000km on the clock now.)
I was originally planning to do a black top trip, but I am now thinking about doing more on dirt roads.
I am not a hard core rider, I am just surprised at how much better the bike is already and wondering should I throw more $$$ at her?
 

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Well it's like this.
I have finished my first round of farkling and I have my Wee at the point where I wanted it.
I have added a bit weight to her, but so far the only suspension mods are,
Rick's fork brace, Yann's 1" rear risers, and a Scotts Stabilizer.
On the first trip on the stock Wee I took it on some dirt roads and found it 'squirmy'. Now when I took it on a dirt road it seemed more 'planted'. I was so comfortable I was actually aiming at the pot holes (only doing 40kph) and everything was, well good. Either I have suddenly become a better rider or the mods are making a difference.
The whole reason for setting up my Wee is I may or may not be doing an solo open ended trip around OZ (long story).
Reading about suspension improvements, I generally see comments along the lines of "why didn't I do this sooner"
So to the point, my question is this - Should I do suspension mods ?
An Elka rear, and front mods (I will decided what to do with the front later if I go ahead).
Will it "transform" my bike ?
(This is a new 2011 bike with 4000km on the clock now.)
I was originally planning to do a black top trip, but I am now thinking about doing more on dirt roads.
I am not a hard core rider, I am just surprised at how much better the bike is already and wondering should I throw more $$$ at her?
You already have a rear raising link installed, so you are obviously content with the 1" rear height increase. If you are getting a new shock, you might as well get one that is longer than the stock shock and put your stock dogbones back on. You will gain a lot more suspension travel this way, which makes the bike work much better off the pavement. Elka will not make you a longer shock though. Check out my "Project WeeStrom 7.5" thread if you want more details on the shock. I listed some other manufacturers in that thread besides Cogent Dynamics (who I used and recommend).
 

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I noticed a bog improvement with new front springs and heavier fork oil. Then I installed a DL1000 rear shock which gave the bike a bit more hieght, better shock and stiffer spring. All of these modes are fairly cheap and produce good results.
 

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Elka shock does come standard with 10mm ride height adjustment @ the shock, ~ 25mm at wheels i believe
 

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Elka shock does come standard with 10mm ride height adjustment @ the shock, ~ 25mm at wheels i believe
It does have a ride height adjuster, BUT the way they setup the shock, most of the 10mm of adjustment is to make the shock shorter than stock length. I was initially under the impression that the RH adjuster would make the shock stock length +/- 5mm, but it's actually stock length -8mm/+2mm. Here is the e-mail response I got from Elka when I inquired about the maximum length of the DL shock with the RH adjuster fully extended:

"The Dl 650 shock is 342mm eye to eye with 61mm of stroke.

The DL1000 shock is 347mm eye to eye with 66mm of stroke."

Also, those stroke numbers are basically the same as stock. You can use an Elka DL1000 shock on your DL650, which is up to 6mm longer than stock, which will translate to a 17mm rise in the rear end, and provide you with 9mm more rear wheel travel.

However, if you are looking for a 1" rise from the rear, I would get another custom shock made 14mm longer, with 14mm more stroke. This will give you 40mm more rear wheel travel, which is a huge improvement off-pavement.

I'm not bashing Elka. I think their shocks are THE best value out there if you want a fully adjustable shock, but no major increase in travel or ride height.
 

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If you improve the suspension at one end, that will magnify the shortcomings of the suspension at the other end. Be ready for work on the front...Traxxion, or Intiminators, or RaceTech emulator + springs, or just springs, and fluid viscosity to suit.
 

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If you improve the suspension at one end, that will magnify the shortcomings of the suspension at the other end. Be ready for work on the front...Traxxion, or Intiminators, or RaceTech emulator + springs, or just springs, and fluid viscosity to suit.
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The Sonic Springs made a big difference, but made me suspect deficiencies in the rear. The Elka has moved the issue back to the front as every negative event is clearly isolated to the front. All made for noticeable improvements.
If the price doesn't hurt too much, you will be very satisfied with the shock and its effects. I was not expecting much noticeable improvement, but got a good bit - Elka 3-way with remote preload - my impressions.
 

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@OhioPT - Thanks for the very detailed information. I did read your thread, but I was a bit in awe of your abilities and I was initially considering a more off the shelf solution, but you have now got me thinking..

@randyo - WP? Whats a WP? and why would I want one?

Thanks to everyone else who responded.

I realise if once I start doing the suspension it will be both ends. I was kind of hoping that because I ride solo and not planning on doing any real rough stuff someone might have said to me it wont make a noticable difference.

*sigh* It seems my bank account isn't destined for recovery yet..
Google time again "suspension site:stromtrooper.com" :mrgreen:
Maybe I will just send Cogent Dynamics an email in the next few days.

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WP = ***********. They supply the stock suspension components for KTM and Husaberg. Real good stuff, but I had trouble finding any info on their products for the V-Strom. Not sure you can order custom lengths either.
 

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WP = ***********. They supply the stock suspension components for KTM and Husaberg. Real good stuff, but I had trouble finding any info on their products for the V-Strom. Not sure you can order custom lengths either.
the WP Suspension shock & spring I got for my Vee is 5 way adjustable

16 position high/ 16 position low speed compression 16 position rebound, remote preload and ride height(length) adjustments I ordered mine valved and sprung for my weight requirements from 350lb solo to 650lb 2up w gear for touring

I also got 1.2kg/mm springs for the front

I bought the shock thru Factory Connection - The Best Suspension. Period. - 2010 they are local bricks & mortar to me, special order, they do not normally sell on-road products but have access to adventure bike specialists in Europe




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the WP Suspension shock & spring I got for my Vee is 5 way adjustable

16 position high/ 16 position low speed compression 16 position rebound, remote preload and ride height(length) adjustments I ordered mine valved and sprung for my weight requirements from 350lb solo to 650lb 2up w gear for touring

I also got 1.2kg/mm springs for the front

I bought the shock thru Factory Connection - The Best Suspension. Period. - 2010 they are local bricks & mortar to me, special order, they do not normally sell on-road products but have access to adventure bike specialists in Europe
Nice! Thanks for the info. May I ask what it costs? You can PM me if you don't want to share to the public.
 

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Holy shi*! I'll pass, lol. Plenty of other very high quality and less expensive options out there (Elka, Cogent, Wilbers, Ohlins, Penske, Hyperpro, Works, etc).
The HyperPro was about $650 in 2008. I've been VERY happy with it, but ALL of the aftermarket shocks are a better choice than what came with the bike.
 

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Holy shi*! I'll pass, lol. Plenty of other very high quality and less expensive options out there (Elka, Cogent, Wilbers, Ohlins, Penske, Hyperpro, Works, etc).
back in 2004, the same shock was only $750 (priced it for my SV), exchange rates, currency devaluation, the current price changes almost daily , the less expensive WP Emulsion is only $9xx but is not available with the spring rates I needed

fwiw, the comparable Ohlins is also comparable in price, FactoryConnection is also an Ohlin dealer

my guess is that your "high quality" but less expensive shocks are not as much shock



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my guess is that your "high quality" but less expensive shocks are not as much shock
Seriously? You've got to be kidding me :confused:

Do you even know what features make a shock "high quality?" Well I do and I know what the features/specifications are of all the shocks I listed above. I can go into length with the details here if you wish. I can briefly say that all the above shocks are of very good quality, but some are better than others. Elka and the Cogent I have are top of the line. There are a few downsides to the Ohlins and Wilbers shocks from a specification standpoint, but I can't tell you if they offer any less performance or reliability than the others. I don't know the details of your WP unit, but I can say that from a spec standpoint that it is no better than the Elka or my Cogent.
 

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Love my Elka ! For what it offers it is hard to beat for the money.
When it arrived and I took it out of the box I was impressed with the quality of construction. After having it on the bike there is no going back.
If I sell the bike I will take it off and sell it . In the long run it will not cost that much.
 

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Seriously? You've got to be kidding me :confused:
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did you read my post? the equivalent Ohlins is the same price range

the Elka described in the original post is a less sophisticated shock, more similar to the WP Emulsion thats about $500 less..... maybe the same money as the Elka ?

I'm not familiar with the equivalent Penske, if they even make one that's 5 way adjustable that fits the V-strom



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did you read my post? the equivalent Ohlins is the same price range

the Elka described in the original post is a less sophisticated shock, more similar to the WP Emulsion thats about $500 less..... maybe the same money as the Elka ?

I'm not familiar with the equivalent Penske, if they even make one that's 5 way adjustable that fits the V-strom
Yes, I read and understood your post. You can get that equivalent Ohlins for $900-950 from the group buys on ADVrider, with everything but the ride height adjuster. I know because I considered buying it.

The Elka, which you claim is "less sophisticated" is nothing like the WP Emulsion shock. First of all, it is not an emulsion shock. It has a remote reservoir, where a floating piston is located to separate the high pressure nitrogen gas from the shock fluid (just like your shock, although your reservoir is attached to the body, making it a "piggyback"). The Elka shock is available with 3-way damping adjustment (high/low speed compression and rebound) just like your shock. It also has a remote preload adjuster, and a ride height adjuster, just like your shock. It uses a 46mm aluminum body and a 16mm shaft, which is as good as it gets. I'm not sure if your WP has these diameter components, although it should. The Elka comes sprung for your weight, and valved for your weight and riding skill/terrain. The Elka can be purchased with all these features for $900 shipped, if you buy at the right time during the group buys from Blair here on this forum.

Now tell me again how your WP is better than the Elka in question :fineprint:
 
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