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Turns out I was in the wrong section and wrote this. Decided to move it over here anyhoo.

Is chudder clack, clack? Yes, I am speaking English.:yesnod: Question is because I have it. And, I know the general consensus is just live with it but I guess I want to know why, for the first 1000 kms it wasn't there and now it is. So, it's loosened up? Why? Sounds to me like there will be wear happiung there with a noise like that. And, it is definitely the clutch as I can lean out and hear it quite plainly thru the cover. And I pull the lever and it diminishes. Doesn't entirely go away, just diminishes. And, at idle speed thru the city it is there till I gas it.
Just curious. Won't bother if I don't have to but I could live without it.:confused:
 

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Knocking noise

At just over 600 miles, my Vee2 has started making what I thought was the infamous idle hammer. It does diminish a little as I pull in the clutch. It almost disappears when I put a load on the engine. Mine was running like a large sewing machine, it was fabulous and a joy to ride. Now, when it has warmed up and I come to a stop, it sounds like a paint shaker.

I am disgusted. I loved it at first, now I don't even want to get on it. It would be nice if Suzuki would fix the ones that do this. In my opinion, it is a manufacturing defect. Can anything be done?
 

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Well, I am not THAT disgusted by it. But am curious. This morning when I started it up cold there was no sign of the noise. After warming up it was there. Logic, Mr. Spock, suggests that when cold, the parts have not expanded. The oil is also thicker. So, warmed up, thinner oil allows for loose parts to clack. But why loose parts? different expansion rates between different metals? Inquiring minds want to know, daddio.:bom_beatnik:
 

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Chudder can be tested by slightly loading the clutch lever under the circumstances where it shows up (1st gen 1000 was 3-4k rpm). If it goes away , then it is from the clutch basket. As for Idle hammer , mine too (2012) was sewing machine quiet till about 5,000 miles. Now I have the knocking sound at idle when hot , that goes away with the clutch pulled in. Wasn't happy at first , now I just smile inside and think of it in the same light the dry clutch Ducati guys must think of their motors at a stop sign. Once you view it as "character" , the feelings of disappointment go away.
 

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I have about 1000 miles and noticed some weird noises at times, around idle/low rpms. It's not often- I think it's the clutch mgmnt system doing it's thing. Will continue to monitor but the bike is still a joy. This bike is a big deal for Suzuki, I'm sure it's well tested- I know I tested the heck out of it at Americade all weekend. It might just be the nature of the beast. We shall see.
 

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Cannot believe that sound bothers y'all so much. And there is no clutch chudder, but obviously there is still a slight idle hammer. I will also guess it became more pronounced after the first oil change. Run a mix of half 10W40 and 20W50, that is what I regularly do and it quiets things down quite a bit.
 

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Cannot believe that sound bothers y'all so much. And there is no clutch chudder, but obviously there is still a slight idle hammer. I will also guess it became more pronounced after the first oil change. Run a mix of half 10W40 and 20W50, that is what I regularly do and it quiets things down quite a bit.
How can you say there is no clutch chudder? Have you personally gone to look at the bikes who claim to have this problem?
We have all heard your rants about people who are turned off by the sound, let them talk about. Not all of us like the sound of a big knocking vtwin, if that was the case we would all be riding sportsters.
 

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How can you say there is no clutch chudder? Have you personally gone to look at the bikes who claim to have this problem?
We have all heard your rants about people who are turned off by the sound, let them talk about. Not all of us like the sound of a big knocking vtwin, if that was the case we would all be riding sportsters.
I was educated by PM from somebody who knows allot more than I do, so I recede my questioning of the potential clutch chudder on the new 1000. However the idle hammer is harmless, and you will not totally resolve that issue unless Suzuki does it at the factory. My 06 does not hammer, so it is obviously a hit or miss problem. Suzuki made a controversial choice to use basically the same engine with some nice mods, but in hindsight it might come back to bite them in the ass.
 

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I have 1500 miles on mine and the idle hammer is fairly pronounced. I am irritated by it and disappointed, but overall I love the bike and just had a great 3-day 1000 mile experience including lots of riding around TN, NC area in the mountains. For now I will keep riding it, and once there is more of an experience base about the issue and some data on what Suzuki is able to do for folks that take their bikes back, I'll decide what action to take.

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So how does the idle hammer issue on the new bike compare to the same thing on the previous generation? Is hard to imagine a situation where it has been de-engineered and becoming a problem? My 85000km v is sweet as with only the RealShelby clutch.
 

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I had an '07 before with 23K miles on it and it knocked a little bit, but not as bad as my '14 model with 1500 miles on it....
 

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My 13' started at about 4500 miles. I posted on it for advise and got a few replies such as "you should hear some other bikes". I'll bet if the noise came with the bike new, there might be less objections from some. Kind of like someone paying $50,000 for a vehicle with mismatched painted bumpers, but it's ok because it's a new car. I like the idea as someone mentioned, of "character". I'll go with that.

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My "idle hammer" started just after the first service. It only appears after the engine is well and truly warmed up and is an irregular sound. At first it was concerning but after reading a few posts on here it seems it's just a characteristic of the engine. Providing the engine doesn't fall apart then who cares? I too like to think of it as character.

(Parked up the other day and a Ducati somethingoranother pulled up alongside. Now *that*, on tickover, sounded truly like a washing machine on a spin cycle full of nails!)
 

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WHY?

My "idle hammer" started just after the first service. It only appears after the engine is well and truly warmed up and is an irregular sound. At first it was concerning but after reading a few posts on here it seems it's just a characteristic of the engine. Providing the engine doesn't fall apart then who cares? I too like to think of it as character
So, I've done a bunch of forum research and have seen this idle hammer often start right after the first oil change. That is exactly what my Vee2 did. What have we done that makes it show up right after the first oil change? It makes me wonder what Suzuki is using for the break in oil.

My '08 Vee did the same thing very loudly, and nearly drove me nuts. I finally solved the problem by selling it. I was worried that Suzuki may not have addressed this issue (even though they re-designed the engine) and after having read that 20-50 oil helped or solved the noise with some Vees, that is what I put in at the first oil change at 600 miles. As soon as it fully warmed up, on the first ride after the oil change, out came the "paint shaker".

I took it into the dealer today. One of the salesmen said that he had a friend that had a DL1000 that developed the idle hammer and Suzuki fixed it. The service manager said he was going to call Suzuki and get to the bottom of this idle hammer business. I'll let you know how it "shakes out" (couldn't resist the pun).

As far as this noise being part of the "character" of the V-Strom, I will agree but I will have to add "character flaw". It may not bother some but it bothers me a lot and ruins the experience for me. I love it when it sounds like a sewing machine on steroids!
 

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If it was an easy fix, like the clutch, I'd probably do it. But not until the bike was well and truly run in. As in 10,000km etc. will be interesting to see if suzuki come up with a solution tho. Not holding my breath!
I have bought what is possibly the worlds first second hand 2014 V. Has done 1800km and has heated grips, topbox, underbelly pan and givi screen thing.
 

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i have got over 6000kms now and i am embarrassed to sit at a red light with the clank,clank,clank. if it makes that much noise something has to be hitting on something in there?? i had a 04 dl650 and a 08 dl650 and those bikes ran perfectly every day, but i really think this bike is much better than the 650. really happy with this bike except for that one thing. kind of worried something might blow apart a long way from home.
 

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I posted this in the other thread on this topic. Does anyone know the actual cause? Food for thought...

I don't know if it applies here but the 1995 Honda VFR 750 had an idle hammer issue (just that year, funnily the 1994 didn't) that turned out to be end knock on the camshaft. Honda fixed it by getting a hole drilled which fed oil under pressure to the end of the camshaft. Anyway, the symptoms sound similar, including the time needed for the problem to develop, so I thought I'd mention it because a lot of us spent time chasing other causes.... Obviously it was irritating but not a requirement to have it fixed.
 

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I just had my 1000km service done and by the time I got home I thought I had an exhaust leak but can't find it. Noise seems to be coming directly from engine. Not happy.
 

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I just had my 1000km service done and by the time I got home I thought I had an exhaust leak but can't find it. Noise seems to be coming directly from engine. Not happy.
I did the first oil and filter change this week and got similar noise that I also thought was exhaust blowing. Put in the correct amount and checked the level glass - just on full.
 
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