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I suck at this img doesn't work for me

I am cheap and I resent what I consider gouging. The fact Suzi wants $45 for an air filter is ridiculous.

This is a chemically resistant plastic plate cut to fit the airbox with a Purolator 3916 airfilter. It is a Chevy filter and has almost 2 times more pleats and surface area than the stock Suzi. My bike runs great. I have seen 3916 for as little as $4 but everyday at Walmart for $6

I silicone glued the filter to the plate and I have great confidence it will last many years but for $6 I will be changing it regularly.

When time to change I will will cut through the adhesive and glue on a replacement.

If anyone is interested for the plate I want $20 plus postage just PM me.

Greywolf if it turns out to be a thing I will sign up as a Vendor
 

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Looking at your fabricated plate, I am concerned with the seal between the edge and the gasket. The oem filter has a ridge that is formed to fit the gasket.
 

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The overall thickness is the same their ridges vs the thickness of the plate

The overall thickness actually appears heavier and the airbox lid snugged down well on the gasket
 

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False economy. And I've no love for part pricing trends, either.

The factory air filter does not require frequent replacement and can be refreshed with a careful blast of air. It is sold for ~$31.00 online at SHS. Or, spend $50.00, once, for a K&N.
 

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Richw! Kudos to your true diy ethitic.I used to use alternate air filters and silicone to fill gaps on my Guzzi,s never had any troubles. I,ve found that the stock Suzuki air filter can be cleaned by raping the ridgid edges on a hard surface several times with a piece of white paper underneith to see what comes out, continue till nothing apears,contrary to the service manual of using compressered air.Am using mine to 15,000 miles,seams better than McGyvering them for a more than a few dollars, considering the damage that could be done if the job is botched.
 

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i think it's fairly obvious that all vehicle manufacturers make the lion's share of their profits on parts, not the sale of the vehicle. try this on for size: try pricing every part on a DL and tell me if the total is less than $35,000.

frame fiche parts: ~$3600
crankcase: ~$1700
cowling: ~$1200
front wheel: ~$500
rear wheel: ~$1000
cylinder heads: ~$1500
throttle body: ~$1200

$10,700, and you have about 1/2 the bike, if that.
 

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Well I shook and vacuumed my stocker but it was still gray afterwards

I assume the gray is fine dirt remaining and am unsure of what is the life and what is the method of failure or the effect on air flow from age/mileage.

Meanwhile the brandy new white as snow with MORE surface area 3916 is usually in service for the year and then another brandy new white as snow one will be installed in its place for $6

Doesn't sound false to me, and maybe my 60's mentality of sticking it to the man when they are trying to stick it to you.

If people did not seek out the cheapest gas station then ALL gas would be a dollar more at least.

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K&N, reusable , last air filter you'll ever buy if you maintain it. Not plugging the brand. Just the reusable idea. If there are others go for it.
 

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I tried the auto air filter. The pleats were so tall that they mashed together and restricted the air flow.
 

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K&N for me, and yes it has seen lots of dirt/dusty roads :thumbup:

Took it out at the last service, was dirty but no dust through it.
Cleaned, re-oiled and back in the bike!
 

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Reg 3916 was ok

tough guard was better looking but pleats are 1/2 inch taller too tall

The finest dust went clean through the motor... IDK ;)
 

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That sounds un-American to us, which is why K&N and the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act protect consumers from such denied warranty claims. When you buy an OE replacement K&N High-Flow Air Filter or High-Flow Air Intake System you can be confident your vehicle’s warranty will remain in effect. If you experience a difficult dealership, K&N will resolve the issue so you won’t have to. The following summarizes the K&N Consumer Protection Pledge:

K&N pledges to our customers

that they will not be taken advantage of and charged for a repair due to a dealership warranty denial blamed on the presence of a K&N product..

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Quoting a companies advertising claims for its product is not a good method for determining the value of a product as they can say anything. Personal experience counts for much more.

I used K&Ns on 5 bikes back in the 1970s and 1980s that did close to 250,000 miles combined with no problems. Here's a V-Strom that has exceeded 300,000 miles with a K&N filter. http://www.stromtrooper.com/dl1000-2002-2012/138729-300-000-mile-k3-dl1000-comprehensive-writeup.html

There have been some reports of dirty intakes using K&N air filters but I wonder if they were properly oiled or if the seal was less than perfect. A little silicone grease on the filter seal can't hurt.
 

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i think it's fairly obvious that all vehicle manufacturers make the lion's share of their profits on parts, not the sale of the vehicle.
I'll need some data before I agree with that. I have never purchase more than normal consumables for our cars over the past 30 years (filters, wipers, etc.). While the margin percent may be high; the margin dollars are very low. Too low, it seems to me, the be the 'lion's share of profit' especially considering the aftermarket availability of such things.
 

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read the K&N warranty
you'll find it does not apply to
"1.any type of racing...; 2. any off-road use...; 3.any off-road or dual sport motorcycle/ATV use;"
this from the warranty card that comes in the box with a K&N filter
still a good filter but no warranty for most of us
 

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I like the idea

I have an old filter I have kept, I might try and modify it to fit this Fram one you show, rather than cut a new plate, then the gasket placement should not be affected.... I too resent paying anything over 10 bucks for an air filter...
 

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I like the idea

I have an old filter I have kept, I might try and modify it to fit this Fram one you show, rather than cut a new plate, then the gasket placement should not be affected.... I too resent paying anything over 10 bucks for an air filter...
I understand the sentiment. Buy bulk Uni green foam and make your own, that's what I did.

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First, Richw, thanks for the great idea. I'm also a DIY type and will probably have a go at this next time (just replaced that damned expensive filter recently).
Second, for all you folks that gave him a hard time, WTF? Why you gotta hate?
Third, I agree with all who stated that K&N is a great air filter. Used them often in a variety of settings from RV's to sports cars, to motorcycles. I still see value in a disposable filter option that is cost-effective.
Finally, I haven't seen any reason so far to be excited about K&N oil filters. Maybe someone can share some data. You can't wash and reuse them, can you? Just because a good company puts their name on a product, that doesn't guarantee that it's a superior product. Based on research I did a few years ago, the very best oil filter out there was the Purolator PureOne. Unfortunately they don't make one to fit my Strom, so I do use the K&N myself. Mostly I choose K&N because of that neat wrench socket on the cap, makes changing it easier. Just to stir things up, I'll add that I use my K&N to filter my Shell Rotella T6 full synthetic (Diesel Truck) motor oil. All I've used in my last four bikes. It IS wet-clutch motorcycle rated, it's cheap, and I can buy it at WalMart.
 

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For most users the difference between a K&N filter and an OEM filter is negligible. OEM filter replacement intervals are great enough that nobody is going to go broke replacing them, and the initial cost of the K&N plus cleaning and oiling solution makes any financial advantage pretty thin unless you are keeping the bike for 100K miles, which few of us do.

Add to that the fact that there is a possibility of underoiling or overoiling the K&N (instructions are pretty sketchy) and the time and trouble involved and any perceived advantage seems to disappear.

And one final point: if your machine has a mass airflow sensor wire in the throttle body (my Corvette did, but I don't know about the Wee) the fine oil mist which a K&N filter necessarily releases can accelerate the accumulation of dust on the wire. So add to the K&N's cost the price of a can of MAF cleaner spray and the hassle of pulling the throttle body if necessary.

My recently-acquired Vulcan 1600 came with a K&N which I will keep just because I'm too cheap to buy a replacement OEM, I happen to have some K&N oil left over from a previous scoot, and I don't think it's actually a negative for the engine -- but I would never BUY one.
 
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