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Hello all. I'm getting up in age (over 40 :beatnik: ), and I'm the proud owner of a 1999 Honda CBR1100XX Blackbird. It's just at 70K on the odometer, and she's been a good bike to me.

With a trade in of $2,675 and retail of $3,905 (KBB, 8/31/10), I'd not expect to be offered much on a trade, and since she's been laid down once (the Givi case caught the brunt of it, but there were scratches on a couple of other parts), the only addition to her value are the farkles I'd likely leave on (Givi Wingrack, Givi windscreen, Fuzeblock, HID lights, heated grips, Pro-Oiler, center stalk RAM mount, Corbin seat and voltmeter).

I figured when she hit 100K, I'd be in the market for a replacement ride. Comfort is key for me, and the only other consideration I have are two features I really want in my next bike, at least one must be present.

1. Shaft drive...chain maintenance is a PITA.

2. Half or no plastics...full fairings are a PITA.

The V-Strom looks sweet. Half fairings and while it's chain driven, at least Suzuki had the intelligence to mount the exhaust well out of the way so chain maintenance is easy(er).

My riding style is sport touring. I have rarely ever pushed triple digits, and frankly, I don't get much out of doing so. I like the bike to have pep when I need it and realize that lower cc = shifting at higher RPMs, so the 600 vs 1000 cc debate appears to not be that critical (I've looked at "the definitive thread" to see what others think).

I really need to find a V-Strom to test ride to see how well I like it. Sat on one once but it seemed too high (but I think the owner raised it a little).

Anyone else a former Blackbird owner?

FWIW, 5' 10" and about 200 lbs.

Also, if there are any notable maintenance issues with the V-Strom, I'd like to know (e.g., particularly troubled model year, parts that tend to wear out with no warning or after a relatively short life, or stuff that's a pain to maintain/fix.).
 

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There are a few current and former BB owners, you may recognize some names from the .org forum.
Chain maintenance is way easier on the Strom, as it has less power then the bird. It is nowhere near as smooth as a bird, but almost as reliable. It is a tall bike.
Things to look for in the early models are fuel mapping problems (easy fix). Clutch chudder: not so easy to fix, but fixable.
It's pretty much like the bird, generally oil and tires are the most often changed items, not including farkles.

Oh and silver is the fastest colour.
 

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Well, a guy on the ST.N site "Cosmic Cowboy" came to a meet and let me test ride his V-Strom.

Looks like there will be one in my future...once the XX hits the big 100K I'll be in the market for it's replacement.

From what I can tell, I'd need to replace the stock seat and upgrade the springs to my weight. Might redo the brake lines...front end felt too spongy when you hit the brakes, but I might take some time to get used to the stock setup.

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It's too bad you're south of the border, I'm looking to go back to a BB from my strom we could have traded.
 

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Looks like there will be one in my future...once the XX hits the big 100K I'll be in the market for it's replacement.
Funny, as short as that ride was, I was certain you'd sworn it off.

but I might take some time to get used to the stock setup.
I would. I've never had an issue with the bike where I couldn't get stopped in time. I really think a lot of what you were talking about with the brakes was the suspension travel.
 

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My previous bike to the current Vee was a ZZR1200, a bike similar to the Blackbird--much motor! I admit there are times I miss the massive power of the ZZR, but the Vee makes up for it in so many ways--its quite a bit more comfortable for me since I'm very tall, and the handling is excellent, so I just try to forget the big power of the old ZZR.
 

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I had a VFR 800 2 bikes ago with an FJR in between. I hate chain maintenance as well. It is not too bad with they new dry type sprays like Duponts. The Vee is by no means a sport bike it is a solid all around utility that can do many things pretty well, but never the best. It is pretty easy to work on, some of the stuff is a pain like the air filter but it is the only really poor design. The brakes are weak , compared to other bikes I have had but decent. Make sure you ride both the Vee and Wee. coming down to less powerful bike takes a bit of getting used to. The really good thing about it is the ride is as comfortable as any bike I have ridden. It seems to just fit well. A tad tall but not bad. The engine sounds nice and throaty. Riding is pretty much point and shoot, I have not noticed any really oddities. Just a solid bike and a good all a rounder.
 

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Shaft Drive Yamaha Super Tenere...??

Coming next year/2012...don't think it is twice the Bike as our VStrom (price is twice tho) - but - what a Beauty. I keep waiting for Suzuki to make some of the refinements that the Super Tenere has put in their Super Adventurer bike......maybe they will now that Yamaha is about to steal many VStrom enthusiasts from Suzuki...
 

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I'm on my second 'bird, a 99 also. I'm also your height, a little older maybe and a bit lighter. I prefer my 'birds seating position overall to the Wee, but I do use the Wee as my main commuter. Mostly because of mpg's and trying to keep my license.:yesnod: As far as servicing them, I feel that they are roughly equal in terms of ease and or difficulty. If the CBR had a fuel line quick disconnect like the Wee I'd call it equal. Once you take the plastic off a few times it's no biggie. I have chain oilers so there's maybe less attention there then for some. I'd keep them both if feasible. At 70k your just breakin' it in. 100k should just be a number. These motors are extremely rugged. Performance wise, the giddyup and whoa on the Wee will be very, very different. I think they're both great bikes, that's why I still have both.
 

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Waking an old thread...

I'm another CBR1100XX owner that is wondering about a DL1000, so I was glad to find this topic. I'm currently taking care of a KLR650 for a friend while he's deployed to Iraq, and I find that I like the ergonomics of it, and I like the fact that it can get off the pavement.

I fully realize the KLR and DL1000 are completely different animals, but from what I've read the DL could handle the occasional gravel or sand road that I'd like to be able to explore while out on rides. 95% or more of my riding would be on paved roads, but we have a vacation home near Traverse City that is surrounded by old sand roads, and the XX is a real handful on them.

Coming from one of the smoothest and most powerful engines ever hung in a motorcycle frame, I wonder if the Vtwin nature of the DL1000 will turn me off. I am interested in the Vtwin character (though not the Harley type) that I've heard a lot about - but does that character become old after a few hundred miles of highway speeds? I know that a 90 degree Vtwin is going to run smooth compared to anything with a narrower angle, but how much do you feel it in the rest of the bike?

Thanks in advance, and hopefully I'm adding to the discussion, and not hijacking it!
 

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The Strom, any Strom will feel like a big pile of dog crap after riding an XX. It'll take time to adjust to the rattling tractor like feeling but after putting about 50K on my XX I was ready for a change and what a change it was. Both are wonderful bikes but worlds apart in feel. The versatility of the DL is a great plus and the comfort IMO is far greater regardless of what comfort mods are made to an XX. (both stock seats are not the best for long distances) As you know the XX makes BIG power EVERYWHERE from idle up and it's addicting. The DL's make acceptable power from 4K on. I found myself on the last tour I took on my XX wishing I was on my DL650 after the second day. Once I relegated myself to the fact that my touring days on the XX where over (spoiled my the DL) I decided to offload the 650 and XX and get the 1000. After spending time in the XX forums and the DL forums it seems that everyone is in love with their bikes and aside from a few well publicized issues with each bike both are basically bullet-proof and trouble free (the XX more so).
 

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Thanks for the good reply!

Can you tell me what the wind management is at highway speeds (70 - 80 MPH)? I've gathered that buffeting can be a major problem for some folks, but that a combination of the right bracket adjustment and windshield can cure it.

What does that 90 degree V twin feel like on the highway? Is there vibration in the seat, pegs or grips? Or is it the unobjectionable "throb" that I've heard about with V twins? I don't expect XX levels of smooth, but I do wonder what a 500 mile day in the saddle feels like...


Thanks again!
 

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Buffeting, if you have has a cure. It may be different for you than for some others so I'll not suggest what to do there. I can tell you that I've got an MP Cycle short and large barn door screen that both work pretty well.

IMO the Strom runs and feels just fine for long distance stuff. What you lose in smoothness you more than make up for in ergonomics. The bike smooths out quite nicely at interstate speeds. For me at least the vibes/throbs etc are a non-issue when touring.
 

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Blackbird to V-strom

I had 52K on my ST1300 when I moved to my DL650.
Yes, I agree with your thoughts about the brakes, a little weak and spongy on the front end. I've been considering a stainless line set myself.
Character of the V-twin? The ST1300 reminded me (and others) of a jet turbine. Couldn't have been a smoother 4-cylinder feel.
The V-twin of the v-strom is fairly subtle. I suppose an aftermarket pipe could enhance the experience for you. The SV650 and TL1000 with performance exhausts sound pretty cool. And nothing like the Russian Farm Tractor w/broken exhaust note of the Hardly Ableson posers. Like the sound of a Ducati at the race track. That's appealing.
But like others have said, the V-strom is not the mileage monster of your Blackbird, it's just the best all around, well balanced bike on the road.
-Reverend Bill
 

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And nothing like the Russian Farm Tractor w/broken exhaust note of the Hardly Ableson posers.
-Reverend Bill
Having driven a Russian tractor (a Belarusse) I resent that remark, it sounded nicer than a Harley. It was, however about as high tech.
 
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