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I can't quite flat foot a 650. Some say that's no big deal, but I'm a re-entry rider and would feel more confident being able to flat foot. The options I see are:

Koubalinks: $75
Suzuki short seat: $209.95

I'm inclined to bite the bullet and go for the seat, so as to avoid messing with the suspension and ride height. As a newbie, I don't plan on dragging pegs any time soon, but I just think that leaving the suspension alone if possible would be a better approach. Any comments or suggestions?

Also, the salesman claims that the bike will sag a little as it is broken in. Has anyone experienced this?

Thanks.

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Buy a different bike :( I know that is not what you want to hear, but this is not a nOOb friendly machine. I've only been riding 5 years myself (just starting my 6th season) and I teach people how to ride. If you are a re-entry rider buy a bike better suited ie. where you can flat foot already. You will drop this bike. If money isn't an issue and you like the adventure touring/standard type of bikes, have a serious look at the BMW F650gs. It has a little less power but is available in a lowered version and it carries the weight lower due to location of the gas tank. I have a set of Kouba lowering links, not because I need them, but to facilitate loading & unloading passengers
 

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Buy a different bike :( I know that is not what you want to hear, but this is not a nOOb friendly machine. I've only been riding 5 years myself (just starting my 6th season) and I teach people how to ride. If you are a re-entry rider buy a bike better suited ie. where you can flat foot already. You will drop this bike. If money isn't an issue and you like the adventure touring/standard type of bikes, have a serious look at the BMW F650gs. It has a little less power but is available in a lowered version and it carries the weight lower due to location of the gas tank. I have a set of Kouba lowering links, not because I need them, but to facilitate loading & unloading passengers
Its the PERFECT noob bike....what you smokin??? It also aint cool to say that he will "drop the bike"....thats kind of morbid! :roll: The Wee doesn't have power that will scare the crap out of ya...but yet demands respect.
It has a smooth power delivery, and does so many things well!
You also have a vast choice in aftermarket "goodies", that will further enhance your love for your bike.
If you get the lowering links...you will be fine! I am not a big fan of lowering bikes...but I am sure that the bike will still handle and perform perfectly. You could give the Suzuki seat a chance "first", and then make your decision on the links. BOTH the Stroms are VERY easy bikes to ride, especially if you have ever ridden dirtbikes! Best of luck.....and get the bike that YOU want. Nothing worse than buying a bike that you really didin't want in the first place. :shock: Getting out and riding, is the best teacher. Best of luck to ya!!! :wink:
 

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The Wee is a great ride but be careful if you get one. The bike carries it's weight fairly high and can be intimidating to handle initially. If I may make a suggestion, get the bike with the lowering links installed beforehand and raise the forks about 20 MM. This way you will have a better chance of easier control.
Have crash bars installed at the same time. Signals are expensive to replace if you break one, I know cause I broke one a week after I got my Wee. Above all ride and enjoy it, your second childhood only happens once.
 

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Night_Wolf said:
Buy a different bike :( I know that is not what you want to hear, but this is not a nOOb friendly machine. I've only been riding 5 years myself (just starting my 6th season) and I teach people how to ride. If you are a re-entry rider buy a bike better suited ie. where you can flat foot already. You will drop this bike. If money isn't an issue and you like the adventure touring/standard type of bikes, have a serious look at the BMW F650gs. It has a little less power but is available in a lowered version and it carries the weight lower due to location of the gas tank. I have a set of Kouba lowering links, not because I need them, but to facilitate loading & unloading passengers
I'm with Wolf on this one. Stroms are one of the few bikes made that are good for tall people. There are great choices out there for shorter riders to start with. Also, don't fall into the mindset that your next bike will be your only bike forever. Stroms will be around in a few years if you are interested then.
 

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You have your opinion and since I actually know how to teach people how to ride and since I do own a Strom, I'll stick to my assessment that the Strom in either incarnation is not a nOOb machine. If he can't handle hearing that he WILL drop the bike, then he definately should be looking elsewhere. Damm near every person who purchases this bike drops it including experienced riders. A nOOb will drop it quicker. I know of one bike that was sold with less than 100 miles as the rider was scared after dropping it at least twice. Maybe this guy doesn't need to have his ego stroked as much as you do and will listen to reasonable advice :roll:

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Its the PERFECT noob bike....what you smokin??? It also aint cool to say that he will "drop the bike"....thats kind of morbid! :roll: The Wee doesn't have power that will scare the crap out of ya...but yet demands respect.
It has a smooth power delivery, and does so many things well!
 

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Sadly you only have to look at the clasified section of this forum to see how many people have found the strom too tall to comfortbly handle, alot of the owners didnt even clock up 5K miles, To buy a new bike only to find it isnt right for you must be a huge downer.
 

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Thank you for your opinions. If I may re-direct this thread, my questions were not whether or not this is an appropriate bike, but rather a) would you choose to get closer to the ground via the lower seat or the lowering links, and b) does the bike tend to sag a little as it gets broken in.

Your thoughts are appreciated. IF I choose to go with this bike, it will be with the information gained here and elsewhere, and I accept responsibility for the decision.

Tim
 
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The Kouba links will drop your bike by about 1-1/8". If you don't need that much you can use these http://www.murphskits.com/vlinks.htm, they will drop your bike by about 3/4". I raised my front fork by 20mm which dropped the bike by about another 1/4". I also shaved my 650 seat on the sides to make it more narrow.

As far as the bike sagging, It may sag a little as it gets older but not much. Also, make sure the seat you are looking at is actually lower than the stock 650 seat. I've seen some mention on this forum that the Suzuki -20mm seat that is made for the DL1000 is actually the same height as the stock 650 seat.

Some might also suggest that you turn the preload on the shock all the way down but I'm not a big fan of this method. Unless you are only using the bike on flat straight roads IMHO the rear shock should be adjusted to the proper sag (around 37-40mm) for your body wieght. If it is adjusted to soft it will allow the bike to pack down on hard curves which will make the bike want to run wide in the corners.

I ride my DL650 fairly hard and this setup works well for me, I do scrap the pegs occasionally but I tend to slide off the seat and lean my body into the turn which helps reduce the need to lean the bike too much. If I feel the need for a road burning run I pull out my trusting blue SV650S which has been retrofitted with a Penske/Traxxion Dynamics suspensions so she goes through curves like greased lighting. :D

One last thing, I'm not sure how much you have ridden or what kind of bikes you have owned in the past so I will make one more suggestion. Go buy the book "Sport Riding Techniques" http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1893618072/002-0405715-1628832?v=glance&n=283155 if you want to learn how to ride sport/sport touring type bikes harder and with more confidence. I came from riding Harley's for years and was suprised at how agile these bikes can be once you learn the proper techniques. Good luck and ride safe.
 

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Damm near every person who purchases this bike drops it including experienced riders.
Wonder when I'll drop mine???? :roll: Every bike model that is made, can be dropped by the owner....Strom aint no different, a drop is a drop! The more that you ride....the more you increase your chances of a drop. Heck, you can drop ANY bike, just by backing it out the driveway.


Maybe this guy doesn't need to have his ego stroked as much as you do and will listen to reasonable advice
I don't have an ego problem, I buy the bikes that I want, and don't give a crap what anyone else thinks. I also feel that I give people reasonable advice. Would I discourage a noob from buying a Gixxer 750 or 1000? Yes ....I probably would! I just don't think that it was cool to say that people "will drop this bike", whether they be experienced or a noob. I have heard MANY inexperienced riders have GREAT luck and success with either Strom. As you probably know.....MOST people buy the bike that they want......that majority gets along just fine! The 650 lowered for him, would be a great bike IMHO! Modify the bike the way that you want it....there is allot of good info here, the VStrom forum and ADV rider. I would go for the lowering links....if things start to sag over time, crank the preload up more. I seriously doubt that you will have any issues! I WILL NOT discourage him or most anyone else from getting "either" Strom. Personally.....the Strom is one of the most easy bikes that I have EVER ridden. And for the record...I have ridden several. :wink: GO FOR IT!!!
 

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Damm near every person who purchases this bike drops it including experienced riders.
Wonder when I'll drop mine???? :roll: Every bike model that is made, can be dropped by the owner....Strom aint no different, a drop is a drop! The more that you ride....the more you increase your chances of a drop. Heck, you can drop ANY bike, just by backing it out the driveway.


Maybe this guy doesn't need to have his ego stroked as much as you do and will listen to reasonable advice
I don't have an ego problem, I buy the bikes that I want, and don't give a crap what anyone else thinks. I also feel that I give people reasonable advice. Would I discourage a noob from buying a Gixxer 750 or 1000? Yes ....I probably would! I just don't think that it was cool to say that people "will drop this bike", whether they be experienced or a noob. I have heard MANY inexperienced riders have GREAT luck and success with either Strom. As you probably know.....MOST people buy the bike that they want......that majority gets along just fine! The 650 lowered for him, would be a great bike IMHO! Modify the bike the way that you want it....there is allot of good info here, the VStrom forum and ADV rider. I would go for the lowering links....if things start to sag over time, crank the preload up more. I seriously doubt that you will have any issues! I WILL NOT discourage him or most anyone else from getting "either" Strom. Personally.....the Strom is one of the most easy bikes that I have EVER ridden. And for the record...I have ridden several. :wink: GO FOR IT!!!
 
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Dropped mine at 700 miles

Yeap; I dropped it in a slow speed turn (turning around in the highway). Thankfully, there was no traffic and no one to laugh at me. I am only 5'8". It's too bad dealers won't allow you to test drive them.

I have 33 years riding all kinds of bikes. Even though I have learned to live with the extra height and top weight, I also realize now, I must stay on the road exclusively.
 

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Yeap; I dropped it in a slow speed turn (turning around in the highway). Thankfully, there was no traffic and no one to laugh at me. I am only 5'8". It's too bad dealers won't allow you to test drive them.

I have 33 years riding all kinds of bikes. Even though I have learned to live with the extra height and top weight, I also realize now, I must stay on the road exclusively.
Why stay on road? the only time you need to touch the ground is when you are stopped.
 

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I'm 5'6", 30 inch inseam. I made my own links & lowered bike 3/4", carved some foam out of the stock 650 seat, and lowered (raised?) the forks. Bike performs flawlessly. I've been over some pretty evil stuff & haven't bottomed out yet.

It is a top heavy bike. Mine has been dropped 3-4 times. So far, only 1 broken turn signal and a few scratches.

My .02

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I just bought a red 650 last week and I love it!! This is the first street bike that I have ever owned and have only ridden them several times before this. I don't have any experience with this stuff but I think that this is a very easy bike to ride and I have not had any problems with my 5' 9" frame.

I say go with the lowering if it makes you more comfortable and if it is not going to effect the handling of the bike any. I would think that your comfort would be the top priority for any bike.

Just sayin'!!

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[quote="Night_Wolf"] Maybe this guy doesn't need to have his ego stroked as much as you do and will listen to reasonable advice :roll:

My first sportbike was a Hayabusa. I went 16,000 miles without a single incident. You can't generalize and predict one guy's outcome based on collective opinions. My wife is 5'10" and the Wee is her first bike. She may or may not drop it. I dropped my first bike. It was a H-D dyna wide glide. AGAIN I was told (by the majority) not to pursue this as a first bike.

So I think if the guy feels he can handle it, he should try it. As far as the advice from the other member to try it, I think he was telling him to proceed and be mindful. The comment didn't seem ego driven.

I'm not trying to prolong the argument, it's just my 2 cents. WAIT!! I'm still a noob to the forum, it only counts for a penny :oops:
 

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The originator of the thread asked for comments and opinions, I voiced mine. I teach nOObs how to ride and will be directly responsible for 110 students this season and over 1100 in general as part of the larger group. Believe it or not if I had a dime for every nOOb who told me he knew WTF he was doing I could retire. Buy a lower bike learn to ride/get comforatble and then move up as at that point it won't be an issue. Experience and Long legs can overcome many obstacles.

BTW the Hayabusa wasn't your first bike, so it's totally different IMO :wink:

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[quote="Night_Wolf"] Maybe this guy doesn't need to have his ego stroked as much as you do and will listen to reasonable advice :roll:

My first sportbike was a Hayabusa. I went 16,000 miles without a single incident. You can't generalize and predict one guy's outcome based on collective opinions. My wife is 5'10" and the Wee is her first bike. She may or may not drop it. I dropped my first bike. It was a H-D dyna wide glide. AGAIN I was told (by the majority) not to pursue this as a first bike.

So I think if the guy feels he can handle it, he should try it. As far as the advice from the other member to try it, I think he was telling him to proceed and be mindful. The comment didn't seem ego driven.

I'm not trying to prolong the argument, it's just my 2 cents. WAIT!! I'm still a noob to the forum, it only counts for a penny :oops:
 
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I hear ya Night Wolf. My wife is just getting started too. She just got her certificate from Learning Curves Riding Schools. I've always been kind of a Kamikaze. :shock: Everybody needs to make their own choices. I'm sure doing what you do gives you a much different perspective from the rest of us. :)

My wife is 5'10". She can barely stand flat footed on the 650. We are going to have it lowered 1 " prior to delivery.

She is still learning. What is your opinion on having her learn the friction zone on grass? I thought this would be a good idea so if she does make an error, she and the bike won't hit pavement. This may sound like a stupid question but I've never owned a dual sport, and I would appreciate your input... :wink:

Take Care :D
 

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I'm 5'6", 30 inch inseam. I made my own links & lowered bike 3/4", carved some foam out of the stock 650 seat, and lowered (raised?) the forks. Bike performs flawlessly. I've been over some pretty evil stuff & haven't bottomed out yet.

It is a top heavy bike. Mine has been dropped 3-4 times. So far, only 1 broken turn signal and a few scratches.

My .02

ChuckS
I'm also 5'6"/30" inseam challenged and only 160 lbs without gear on. I can just barely get the tips of my boots on the ground. Not enough weight to compress the suspension much. NOT a secure feeling when there is loose stuff or uneven surfaces under foot (toe). I made 3/4" lowering links to try before buying nicely made links. I could get the ball of my feet on the ground after the install of the links. The front forks were already lowered about 12mm. After changing the links, the bike developed a sort of weaving motion at higher speeds, especially on sweeping turns. I guess the front end felt kind of light, but I did not like the handling for the little bit of footing I gained. Riding solo, I still did not touch down the OE centerstand (never changed the left peg feeler). I have to be very conscious of where I'm stopping, parking and turning around. I can't back the thing up or move it forward much! Tip-over's are a concern way more often than I've had with other bikes where footing was better. BTW, I if I have to give this bike up for ongoing medical reasons...that I just can't handle this type of bike, before I would look at a cruiser....I think I would look at a Burgman!!
 

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Forgot to put in last post--
Dropped once before lowering. If the bike was a tad lower it would not have been a problem. The drops since have been on dirt or grass whilst doing something dumb-- not the bike's fault.

After lowering & caving out the seat, I can almost flat foot. Close enough, it's fine.

At high speeds (100 indicated), it does have the "weaving motion", both before & after lowering. My suspension preloads are set properly. I think I'm just too light for the stock susupension. Not a problem- I have no intention of riding at those speeds. At 90 ind, it tracks perectly.

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