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We all know we are in a bad economy. Since we are, why are Suzuki dealers still adding on fees like crazy? I called up motosports of tampa yesterday. They had no "wees" in stock. He said he might be able to dig up an older '08 for me, but I would have to "make a financial deal" with the dealership first, sign all the paperwork, etc. to have it delivered to them. I then asked "What do you guys have for dealer fees, document fees, - you know all the extra fees on top of the bike, plus are they negotiable?" The sales guy told me that
while they might be able to wheel and deal a little on the price of an '08, the dealer fees, doc fees were NON-NEGOTIABLE, as if they did it for one person, they would have to do it for everyone. Right there, I was about to blurt out,"In this economy, why don't you drop some of these damn fees, you might sell some friggin' bikes!" But, I just asked about the fees. Here's what he told me:$199 Doc fees (probably 20 minutes of someone's time that they are paying $8 an hour); $199 set-up fee, $349 fee for something that I forgot to put in my notes- could it be freight? Tax and $91 for tag fee.
1)Has anyone had any luck in getting any of these fees reduced, especially getting the doc fees knocked off?
2)Anyone have success in getting setup/freight fees knocked down?
Hell, by the time you get out of the dealership you are looking at close to $1k you spent in fees, and that's not including the 6% Florida sales tax.
I know some car dealers have knocked off their customary $500-$600 "dealer fees" here in Ft. Myers in order to spur business. All advice and comments appreciated.
 

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your right, all dealer employees are highschool dropouts that get paid $8:rolleyes:

if they don't have it in stock, they are at the mercy of they dealer they are getting the bike from...... leftovers that pass from one dealer to another are no deal.

you would be better off to find the dealer that has it in stock and deal with them

prices on 09s have gone up, that increases the value of older bikes as well, Suzuki has also cut production & delivery substantially as a means to artificially inflate prices



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When i bought my 2005 bike, I was quoted $8300 which included over $500 each for freight and setup. Suzuki pays the dealer $50 for setup and freight is included in Suzuki's MSRP. Taxes and title are legitimate charges if not inflated. I'd imagine playing with tax amounts would be illegal. I offered $7000 as my final OTD and I swear they came back with counter offers at least five times. Although I said it was my final offer each time, I had to say I was walking out if I didn't get an immediate deal. Then they agreed but acted like I raped them. They even said the sales guy would get no commission and tried to make me feel bad about that. The $7000 was a little under MSRP + tax and a fair title/tags fee. It was January in Chicagoland besides so involved no guilt on my part. Get a quote from Honda East of Toledo, a fair price/haggle free dealer, including shipping a bike to your area. Either buy it from them or get a local dealer to match it. At least you will know what a fair price is.
 

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Everything is negotiable. The question is are they legitimate charges. As stated above the dealer is compensated for set up and freight in the msrp. Have you ever heard of set up and freight on buying a suit or a pair of shoes. It is already in the cost. However some genius discovered that they can print their own msrp cost sheets and just add on freight, doc fees, set up. Sounds better than ap (additional profit) or atm(adjust to market). Find a price you feel you are comfortable paying and offer them that and be prepared to leave if they don't go for it. I agree in this economy you would think prices would be getting lower and lower but the only things that is happening on are the bikes they can't move.
 

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When you see an advertised price it seems it rarely includes the fees that are tacked on. Not including taxes and title is fair because it may vary because of trade-ins etc and it is a non-marked up item. Destination charges should be in an ad as additional if they are.

Documentation fees, additional prep charges , market value adjustments,etc,etc,etc, another other than legit requested accessories...........whatever other "fees" are simply additional dealer markup and in many states the Attorney Generals office is very interested when they are not included in an advertised price. Often the dealer needs to be reminded of this when it comes to fee madness time.

To be fair many dealers feel this is a sleazy way to make money and do not pack charges that way. When someone tells you their documentary charge is under $50 and there are no other fees you have found a good dealer.
 

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First there are lots of threads about what others have paid.
Then deal in apples and apples, don't throw in some oranges.
So "How much is my check going to be!" I will not be bringing my check book or credit card. Just a check from my bank for What amount?
That way there are no hidden last minute stuff. When you are standing there with a fixed amount on a bank check, it is hard to add new fees.
Research what others have paid, so you have a feel for what is fair.
I had another inmate turn me on to what he had wlaked on, and it was accectable to me. So I bought it. Thanks Rockymountainscottsman.
Don't be afraid to go to another delaer or another city, or state.
I paid $6240 for my Wee a year ago. K8. No extras, they paid state tx and I paid local tx and lic. No set up, no coffee fund etc.
I called them and said I was bringing a check for that amount, what they did with it, or how they accounted for it, I didn't care. When I got there they tried to throw in something. I started to walk out the door. They quickly blamed the error on a "new" salesman, and fixed it. New saleseman? I had talked to the sales manager and told him the check amount before heading to the bank? The poor G.I. trying to buy the other identical bike, but black was ready to sing on for over $9000 on it. Never go in uniform, NEVER!!!!!!! It's a shame, but taking advantage of G.I.s is legendary, and easy pray! Just like old lady widows.
 

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When I bought my Strom back in 2004, the salesman actually called me a week later and said they forgot to charge me a fee. He asked if I could stop by and drop off an additional $180!!! I told him that I was shocked that he actually had the gall to call me and ask me that. When he asked me again to bring $180 to him, I told him to hold his breath until I got there. He just stammered that I couldn't refuse because I had already bought the bike and I would have to give it back if I didn't pay all the fees. I replied that he was welcome to take me to court to recover either the bike or the "fee." I never heard from him again.

Everything is negotiable at a dealership. Remember, you ultimately hold ALL of the power because the can't MAKE you buy the bike. If you are prepared to walk out without the bike, you can get a great deal. If you are so in love with the bike that you can't bear to leave without it, you're going to get hosed.
 

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Get a quote from Honda East of Toledo, a fair price/haggle free dealer, including shipping a bike to your area. Either buy it from them or get a local dealer to match it. At least you will know what a fair price is.

+1 on Honda East Toledo.....That's where I bought my DL650 last year.
I couldn't find a dealer within a 100 mi. radius that would even come close.
A great buying experience compared to all of the other dealers around here. :)
 

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Thanks for all your replies, tips, and advice. Much appreciated. I especially like the one on just bring one check and -how much should it be for?

RandyO- I didn't mean to denigrate anyone with my $8 comment on what they pay clerical workers in m.c. dealerships. But, I live in S.Florida and it is a low-wage state. Everyplace from doctor's office to car dealers to bike dealers have lots of computer-savvy young females that they pay low wages to do all sorts of paperwork. Therefore, a $200 document fee is bullshit in my opinion. I totally understand the tax/title fees. You should see the BMW dealership down by be. Lots of fees and options on the bikes. In this economy, i expect more bang for the buck.
 

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If your dealer won't drop the fees walk away and find another. When I bought my '08 vee last year the deal was $8299 plus Indiana sales tax. No prep fee, no document fees, etc.
 

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When I bought my Strom back in 2004, the salesman actually called me a week later and said they forgot to charge me a fee. He asked if I could stop by and drop off an additional $180!!!
I would still be laughing about this. I might have even agreed to pay the amount in $1 per year installments. And I'm sure you've gone out of your way to do business with this dealer since then (sarcasm intended) out of loyalty and appreciation for how you were treated.
 

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If bike costs say $7000, I would think that an out the door price of $6600-6800 is plenty reasonble. I would advise not getting bogged down into buying on payments, what the payment will be. The dealer can play with the fees all they want, but I would not pay anything over MSRP out the door and depending on supply and demand, you should be able to get a bike out the door for less than MSRP. And be sure and know what the real MSRP is, don't trust the dealer for that, read the moto mags etc...

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I am looking for a DL650 right now, and most dealers come off as saying the V-strom is "rare" in the Cincinnati area and thus can charge list with lots of fees. I think the motorcycle dealers are actually charging more in fees than what a new car dealer might try to tack on. :(
 

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I am looking for a DL650 right now, and most dealers come off as saying the V-strom is "rare" in the Cincinnati area and thus can charge list with lots of fees. I think the motorcycle dealers are actually charging more in fees than what a new car dealer might try to tack on. :(
The only 'rare' thing in North America is motorcycle BUYERS!

Squeeze 'em. They'll play ball if they want to stay in business.
 

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When I bought on of the last cars, I used the salesman's phone to call the other dealership with the closest price and had them haggle it out between them. Saved me a few hundred bucks.
 

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My first trip to the dealer, the sales guy quoted me $7,700 for an '08, he said he didn't have any '09s. I went back in 2 weeks later (this past Saturday) after having done some pricing research, they had sold the '08 but a silver '09 was sitting there. I didn't want silver as I can never see silver cars on the road and really didn't want a cloaking device on my bike. The guy said he had orange but still in the crate. Then we started working on the price. He came up with his best deal, I don't remember what it was, but I said thanks but no and left. By the time I got home he had called my home phone and left this offer, which I took. Based on what I'm reading, it was an ok deal. Note that I got the '09 for less then he originally quoted me for the '08.

Cash Price 6,200.00
Shipping 379.50
Handling 357.00
6% Tax 422.19
Title 70.00
Tags 98.00
Doc Fee 100.00
Out the door $7,625.69

The dealer is in my town and while I shop for lots of stuff on the Internet, I'm starting to feel that supporting local businesses is more important than a few $$. Neither of two other dealers a little farther away from my house had a 650. One other had a 650 but with the cloaking device. There was a dealer 2.5 hours away who listed $6,699 on cycletrader and I was going to go there, but didn't know what additions he would throw on and figured the distance and buying out of state hassles weren't worth it. I'm still waiting to see the check clear my account so I can go pick it up. It will probably clear today since my fiance is going out of town for 2 days and I won't have a driver.
 

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Those were all the fees I was charged. I figure the out the door price is what counts. The dealer wouldn't reduce the shipping or handling fees but did reduce the "base" price. Some people have posted that MSRP includes the transportation and set up fees which is what I think the dealer wants you to believe these are. Different dealers tell you they have different fees. I live in a fairly high populated area so they think they can get away with more. Some have said the fact that I'm on the east coast costs me more for transport across country. There is sense in that if the bikes come from Japan to the west coast of the US and then have to be transported overland to the east coast. I also think the way the dealer lists fees may impact his accounting, possibly taxes, who knows. After the deal was struck, the sales guy said his manager never reduces those 2 fees but only adjusts the base price. When I lived outside Chicago, one Toyota dealer added a $399 advertising fee to all cars sold. They were the only Toyota dealer that did it, and there were 4 about the same distance from my house.

I had an option to drive 2.5 hours to the boonies of WV for a lower base price listed on cycletrader. I don't know what fees that guy would have added. In the end, I didn't feel it was worth the long drive on a brand new bike, risk of something happening, having the dealer being so remote from me, dealing with buying an out of state vehicle and I wanted to support my local dealer. I'd rather do my breaking in on side streets where you are shifting gears and varying your RPMs more.
 
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I put a deposit down today on a new '09 orange Wee and total was $7000 OTD. It is at a local dealership and they were real friendly, helpful and patient. Sales guy was a younger kid. No pressure, no lies, no unexpected fees and called when he said he was going to. I like that. So I bought it. :cool:

$6411 - DL650K9
$52 - hand guards
$105 document fee
$394 - 6% sales tax
$38 - title/license

$7000 - total

I got a quote for $6,600 OTD from Honda East Toledo but I rather buy local and support my dealer so he can support me when I need them. It is about 300 miles to Toledo one way and renting a trailer and paying for gas just wasn't worth it for the $350 difference.

And I definitely didn't want to be that guy playing hardball with dealers fighting for a $50 difference. My local dealer treated me with respect and I want to return the favor. But this is in a small town and I imagine buying a bike in a large city is different.

If anyone is in the market for an orange Wee, this is the quote I got from Honda East Toledo last Friday.

2009 Suzuki DL650 - Orange Black - $6,099.00
Document fee - $95.00
Tax 6% - $371.64
Title fee - $15.00
30 day tag - $10.50
Total - $6,591.14 OUT THE DOOR.

Be sure to ask for the Sales Manager's Special. ;)
http://www.hondaeasttoledo.com/custompage.asp?pg=salesmanagerspecials
 
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