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I'm thinking of making a trip out,its about 2500 miles one way

what is it like temp range, snow, ice, what month is best

I'd like to go next spring, as early as possible, March?
Uhm..... Randy..... why are you asking the AZ and NM folks about CO weather? I know what it's like here but i don't really know that much detail about CO.:confused:

i can tell you the it's windy as hell in NM in March. like 40 sustained with gusts to 60. WINDY!

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Uhm..... Randy..... why are you asking the AZ and NM folks about CO weather? I know what it's like here but i don't really know that much detail about CO.:confused:

i can tell you the it's windy as hell in NM in March. like 40 sustained with gusts to 60. WINDY!

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Coronado Trail, Route 191 between Springerville, AZ and Clifton, AZ it runs approx parallel to and approx 10miles west of the AZ/NM border


what did you think I was talking about ?

mostly concerned with snow & ice conditions



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Highway 191

We rode that route at the end of last June. It is also called the Devil's Highway since it used to be route 666. The weather was cool at night, in the 50s, but nice during the day, upper 70s. The upper end around Alpine is high elevation, over 8000 feet and the lower end is high desert, around 4500 feet. It was the greatest ride I have ever been on...really beautiful country and everyone we met was friendly and helpful. Lots of fun. We will be going again next year.

I suggest that you get in touch with the Hannagan Meadow Lodge, where we stayed. It is a rustic mountain lodge with cabins, rooms, and a restaurant. Here is a note they sent me when I made reservations:

Our Policies:

If you would prefer to personally speak to a Hannagan Meadow staff member about our accommodations or reservation policies, please call (928) 339-4370 and we will be happy to assist you. When planning your trip, please contact the Alpine Ranger District at (928) 339-4384 for trail and forest conditions. Contact ADOT at (888) 411-ROAD for current road conditions. For updated weather information, log on to http://wrh.noaa.gov/twc/ and click on northern Greenlee County. This will bring up weather specific to Hannagan Meadow.

Check-in time is 2:00pm. Check-out time is 11:00am.

Cabins are available 365 days a year. A two night minimum stay may be required in the cabins during the summer and on week-ends and holidays. Lodge rooms are available year round with no minimum stay.

A 50% deposit is due when your reservation is made. If canceled at least seven days before, the balance will not be charged. Your deposit is non-refundable, but can be used up to a year for another reservation with us. All rates are subject to change without notice. Due to the small size of the property, reservations are highly recommended. Winter rates are in effect from November1st - April 30th. Spring and fall rates are May 1st - May 31st and August 15th - September 30th. Summer rates are June 1st - August 14th. Summer rates apply during Thanksgiving week-end (Weds-Sunday) and during Christmas week (Dec.24-Dec. 31).

The rooms and cabins do not have phones, clocks, or televisions. There are pay phones located in the Lodge lobby and also in front of our store for emergencies. To avoid problems in our remote area, a phone card is suggested. Cell phones DO NOT work at the Lodge.

A 10% discount is available for extended stays of 8 days or more. There are discounts available to rent the entire lodge or all the cabins please contact us for prices.

Items damaged or missing from rooms or cabins WILL be charged to your credit ! card. A n housekeeping fee of $25.00 will be charged if you change rooms or cabins midway through your stay. Early check-outs will be charged for the remaining balance of your stay.

We are a non-smoking facility per ARS 36-601.01 There is NO SMOKING IN THE CABINS OR THE LODGE. Ashtrays are provided OUTSIDE each cabin and in front of the Lodge. If there is any trace of cigarette smoke in your cabin or room, your credit card will be charged a minmum fee of $50.00 and a maximum fee of $500.00.

Pets are only allowed in the cabins. There is a $20.00 fee, per pet, per night and a limit of two pets per cabin. Pets must be on a leash at all times. Any damage to cabins or property during your stay will be charged to your credit card. Guests are responsible for cleaning up after their pets.

The dining room is open Holidays, during the summer from May 1st to Nov. 1st for breakfast lunch and dinner and during the winter by reservation.

Hannagan Meadow is located in a remote part of the National Forest with only the Lodge, cabins and a small store on the property. We are located 22 miles south of Alpine. In Alpine you will find a grocery store, gas station, post office, restaurants and the library.

We do allow ATV's on the property. For liability reasons and the safety of other guests, we do not allow ATV's to be ridden on the property. ATV's can be parked and driven on and off the property for access to the forest.

Due to the wildlife in our area, all food, including ice chests, must be kept inside the cabins. This is for the safety of everyone at Hannagan Meadow.

The Forest Service is very strict concerning fire rules and we expect all guests to follow them. There are small charcoal grills located outside the cabins. These may be used by guests. Please check with the front desk for current fire restrictions before using charcoal grills.

Wildlife buggy tours and Horseback riding are available from Memorial Day through October. Reservations can be mad! e at the front desk. During the winter months we have cross country skis, snowshoes and tube rentals. Check with the front desk to make rentals.

Hannagan Meadow Lodge is surrounded by 2 wilderness areas. There are many trails to hike and good fishing most of the year. All lakes are within 30 minutes to an hour drive from the Lodge. Our staff is very knowledgeable about the area and will be happy to assist you in your requests.

If you have any questions please contact us at the front desk or call (928)339-4370.

Sincerely,

Hannagan Meadow Lodge

Hannaganmeadow.com
22 miles south of Alpine
Hwy 191 P.O. Box 335
Alpine, Az. 85920
(928) 339-4370

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I'm thinking of making a trip out,its about 2500 miles one way

what is it like temp range, snow, ice, what month is best

I'd like to go next spring, as early as possible, March?
Memorial Day 2008 18 inches of snow in Alpine, I have ridden it in April and there was still snow along side of the road but the road was dry and clear. Watch the weather reports for Az high country regarding snow fall and if we get warm weather early it should be fun.:thumbup: The Tal-WI-WI Lodge just north of alpine is clean, good prices, good food, and a great bar.

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Coronado Trail, Route 191 between Springerville, AZ and Clifton, AZ it runs approx parallel to and approx 10miles west of the AZ/NM border


what did you think I was talking about ?

mostly concerned with snow & ice conditions
dude, i must have been asleep when i read that. i thought it said Colorado trails. :confused:

i had never heard AZ191 called that. most know it as devil's highway.

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dude, i must have been asleep when i read that. i thought it said Colorado trails. :confused:

i had never heard AZ191 called that. most know it as devil's highway.

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devils highway maybe how its known to locals, on the most recent nationally published maps, its Coronado Trail

so now that you know what road I'm talkin about, what's the weather like

trying to decide best time of year that isn't summer late february or early march works best for me, but I suspect I might be risking snow or ice.

trying to find out how much risk, not looking for any specific recomendation of things to do or places to stay or best itme of year, just looking to know the potential for snow & ice, when ?, is it limited to only sections etc.



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Here's the thing about 191

It is not maintained during the winter. If it snows, it is not plowed. March is pretty early to 'plan' this ride if you are not from the area. I've done it in Jan before, but I live here. Also, it is usually covered in grit/sand/rock chips in the spring because of the sanding trucks. I've been cranking around a corner up there and hit loose sand on the road, it's really scary and takes the fun out of it. After monsoon season, preferrably late September/early October is the best. The road is clean from the summer rains and it is really fast and the weather is good. If you don't plan on ripping it up, then March may be OK, but I personally don't like the excitement of front tire washout on blind corners.

Hannigan Meadow is nice, but we stay at Reed's Lodge in Springerville. It'll be full of bikes if the weather is right. There is a huge hot tub which you may need (I did) after that ride. The price is certainly right. In fact, the first time I made a reservation there I asked for the nicest room and it was $37.00 and it wasn't the Hilton but it was fine and walking distance to restuarants, etc. If you are going South, then I would suggest staying in Safford somewhere.

You can always check us out in Bisbee, AZ at www.eldoradobisbee.com our hotel is popular with bikes as well.

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Bret in Bisbee
 
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