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I was wondering if anyone has ever tried an auto clutch on a Vstrom? I've been reading about them and this device is making waves in the off-road forums as well as becoming accepted in some of the cruiser bikes. It can be an answer to medical problems that might prevent clutching but I was thinking about it for a Wee. I've found a company that will re-fit your clutch basket to provide clutchless shifting while retaining the origianl clutch function when desired. EFM Auto Clutch has been making these devices available for quite a while now, more than 17 years, and it looks like it might be a good idea.

Any opinions? Wait, I know there's gonna be loads of opinions, so let's see if we can keep this civil and not let this into a name calling mud slinging slug fest.
 

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It would be great for a friend who lost his left fingers in an industrial mishap.

Why use one if your left hand works?
 

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I have them (Rekluse) on both my KTM and my wife's CRF both with LHRB (left hand rear brake). It's like cheating when riding tight, technical single track. I would already have one on the Wee if Rekluse made one, but two emails to Rekluse have not been answered. I'll have to do some research on the EFM Auto Clutch.
 

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I have them (Rekluse) on both my KTM and my wife's CRF both with LHRB (left hand rear brake). It's like cheating when riding tight, technical single track. I would already have one on the Wee if Rekluse made one, but two emails to Rekluse have not been answered. I'll have to do some research on the EFM Auto Clutch.
Someone has placed a testimonial on the EFM site that switched from the Rekluse brand. Rekluse seems reluctant to expand their product offering while EFM says they'll take your clutch basket and rebuild it so you can ride either way: clutching like normal or shift on the fly. I like this idea and I am still struggling with proper clutch useage on the super tight techical stuff off-road. After this last weekend and the cramps I was having in both arms, by the end of the days, following 100 miles of sand/gravel/rocks etc., I was very interested.

Before this thread deteriorates into the argument that the Wee is not an off-road machine, let me state that my research was orginally intended for application to a Yamaha WR250R, but I had to ask the question about the Wee when the EFM sites states that they can do "any" bike.

It is very tempting. I want a WR250R so I was thinking of "cheating" on the clutch with EFM.
 

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I would be interested in an auto clutch for sure. I am a 75 y.o. wee rider and a survivor of accidents and injuries. why use one somebody may say. I say get some age and experience on your self and you may find that you have learned a lot. I had a 650cc motorscooter with an auto trans but there was no design or build quality in that bike. happiest day of my life was getting rid of it. I had a KTM with a rekluse and it is a huge advantage once you get used to it.
 

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Anyone who has ridden a rough downhill track at speed on a dirt bike while wearing stiff dirt bike boots knows that in those conditions the rear brake is mostly full on or full off.
I can appreciate the advantages of a left-hand rear brake and an auto clutch without ever having had the opportunity of trying one.

Edit: Alternatively - how about a quickshifter?
 

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With the Rekluce if you let the RPM's drop too far the bike will free wheel thus loosing your engine braking, that is unnerving at first.

There is another post on here asking about the Rekluse that I contributed to.
 

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I had a 650cc motorscooter with an auto trans but there was no design or build quality in that bike.
So you had a Suzuki Burgman 650 that was 13 years old and very early in the development of the the best automatic there is out there ( the Aprilla uses the same ECVT ) and feel it's appropriate to diss both the design and build quality !!!??? :surprise:

Pardon me but you haven't clue what you are talking about.

Having 100,000 km on two Burgman 650s I do have a clue and they were extremely reliable bikes once you got past the early years birth pangs.

In that 100k I had to replace two batteries .....that's the sum total of my "repairs" aside from fluids and tires.

Out of the many bikes I've owned the Burgman 650 with a Russell Daylong seat was the most comfortable with lovely creature comforts. Power windscreen, power mirrors, heated grips, huge storage ...the second best brakes ( after the CBF1000 C-ABS ) and by far the best headlights.

If the rider was willing, it had no issue keeping pace in canyon carving with the likes of the VFR800. Combination of brakes and instant power made it a delight.

The B650 automatic was smooth and effortless against something like the Honda DCP which really has issues tho I'm sure they've improved it.
The BMW 650 scooter was never successful tho it came close to the Burgman in power and had better suspension.

They are not cheap machines...$11k US ....my 2009 Exec cost the first buyer $15k out the door in Canadian funds.

2018 Suzuki Burgman 650 Executive Reviews, Prices, and Specs

Now 15 years in production and very highly respected around the world by those who understand what a bit of engineering magic Suzuki created.

I bought mine when carpal tunnel made it hard to clutch and had 4 very enjoyable years on it and sold it for only $3k less than it cost me. I needed a machine that could carry more luggage and did not want a tire change for a cross continent trip with my son so picked up a 2010 Wee.
I just live with my sore hands now but there I times I miss the effortless riding and braking plus the weather protection.



If you want a reference on how an automatic should be behave, the 650 Exec is it tho the BMW 650 came close....it had no issue keeping up with larger BMWs on the rather spirited demo ride at Mosport.

Thousands of owners around the world have taken the Burgman 650 touring - even two up for weeks.

Weakness :crying2: ...eats rear tires, stiff suspension with little travel which is brilliant for twists but not so good on less than sterling pavement.

But it handled a 150 kph sweeper on the James Bay road that just about rattled my teeth out but never once strayed off line or felt unstable.
Buddy ahead of me of course floated over the same pressure heave on his Wee.
Did not have the top speed end of the Wee but got there plenty quick up to 80 mph.

Characterizing a Burgman 650 exec as "motorscooter" poorly designed and built based on your very limited experience of an early model does a disservice to a great bike and says more about your judgement and bias than the bike.

Cross over ownership between Burgman 650s and Vstrom 650s is fairly high.

Soon enough with electrics a clutch will be a thing of the past anyways >:)
 

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I don't have a bike with an auto-clutch. Have not ridden one.

But I do have experience with both Rekluse and EFM clutches in DL 1000's.

Most here know I run the WERKS Parts clutch business for Suzuki DL and SV 1000's.

Late in 2017 I think it was I had a customer send in a clutch basket where they had been using a prototype Rekluse auto clutch. While I did modify the basket, I also done a lot of work trying to get the clutch basket fingers back in usable condition. The way the Rekluse works is to put more narrow clutch plates in, which being more narrow really dig into the aluminum! This makes room for the part on the end. Then the part on the end of the basket that applies the torque REALLY digs into the aluminum. Customer put it back together, but shortly after removed the Rekluse and installed the OEM inner hub assembly. They were concerned about the wear it was causing.

Then last year I had an EFM clutch come in. This had just been sent in to EFM for their modification. I rebuilt the basket like normal. I cannot tell you if it works better than Rekluse at taking off or other riding situations. But I can tell you it is FAR superior in engineering! Uses stock clutch discs so no wear issues going forward. The customer did get back with me and so far is completely happy with the EFM. I don't know the costs of the two. The only real negative with EFM is that you have to send in your clutch basket and other parts for modification.
 

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So you had a Suzuki Burgman 650 that was 13 years old and very early in the development of the the best automatic there is out there ( the Aprilla uses the same ECVT ) and feel it's appropriate to diss both the design and build quality !!!??? :surprise:

Pardon me but you haven't clue what you are talking about...

Note to self, don't dis a Burgman around Macdoc!


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Some good info here on Adventure Rider Radio on auto clutches and slipper clutches. Rekluse Auto Clutch - Africa Twin DCT Demystified - How a Slipper Clutch Works https://adventureriderradio.com/adventure-rider-radio-episodes/2019/1/31/rekluse-auto-clutch-honda-dct-demystified-how-a-slipper-clutch-works
Can also find it on I Tunes. On the DCT he talks with an ex Honda R and D guy who worked on the project. Most impressed by the fact that they programed the clutch by recording the inputs of top riders. In effect when you ride an expert is working your clutch. They had to detune the clutch a bit as it was so smooth many people couldn't feel it change gears.
 

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Is there no Burgman650 any more? Suzuki '19 product information doesnt list a 650, the 400 looks to be the top displacement of the Burgman line now, as per printed info I picked up at the Chicago motorcycle show last month.
 

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you say that I haven't a clue what I am talking about. are you going to tell people about the expensive lower rear panel that breaks loose and falls off and this is considered "normal"? are you going to tell people that owners of the an650 are urged to create an emergency trunk opener so that they are not in deep trouble when the skinny cheap wire that is supposed to unlatch the trunk breaks and won't unlatch the trunk?. I was once a dealership mechanic and I have owned over 50 motorcycles and all I can say about the an650 is that there is little or no quality in the POS. when I bought my 650 I put new tires on it. 7000 miles later I put new tires on it again. I normally get 3 to 4 times that mileage on my motorcycles. are you going to tell people what it costs to repair the fragile and expensive transmission? I don't think so. are you going to tell people that the honda 600 scooter will out accelerate the an650 and out perform it in every way? I don't think so. Go love your 650. you're stuck with it. I had a 650 and I can admit my mistake which owning the 650 was. some people can't and never will admit to making a mistake. I could spend all day discussing the many faults of the 650 scooter and the retarded lovers of them.
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Thanks for confirming your utter lack of knowledge.
My trouble free 100,000 km on two Burgman 650s says you are woefully in error.

Stuck with it ??? Hardly ...bought the 2009 Exec for $7k (Cdn ) - put 60k on that and sold to happy new owner for $4k
TOTAL issues...needed a new battery....

I had more serious issues with my second 650 Strom but that was a known problem ...the stator left me stranded.
Same thing with the CBF1000 tho Honda fixed that for free even 7 years out....they even paid the tow.

You may have owned 50 bikes but not enough sense to know that a used first gen bike with new technology was not a smart buy.....nor enough experience on it to even make a blanket comment.
Yet 16 years out the Burgman 650 Exec is still selling well.

I'm quite content to let my extensive, trouble free time with two Burgman 650s speak for itself.
 

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I just rode a R1200GS with shift assist for three weeks in NZ and it is brilliant! It is very quick and smooth in the top three gears and very effective coming toward or coming out of corners or also passing. I found I still used the clutch most of the time. It was a good test. 5,100 km over 21 days and probably 20,000 to 30,000 corners.
 

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Do you want to tell everybody about the fact that if you have a used an650 and the auto trans goes out it will cost more to replace the auto trans than you can sell the 650 for after it is repaired. the universal consensus is that if the auto trans goes out on a used an650 that the best thing to do financially is to part it out. the an650 is the sorriest machine I have ever encountered and I am so glad that I don't own one any more. If something doesn't go well I just tell myself "at least I don't own that 650 any more".You got to be pretty stupid to try to stand up for such a sorry discontinued piece of trash.
 

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I don't care so much about auto clutch's but I think every bike should come with a slipper. Sure would save rear tire on aggressive down shifts.
 

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Honest questions:
So without a clutch, how do you regulate your power output when riding offroad? You just use your brakes?
What happens if you stall on a hillclimb or steep downhill? Does it stay in gear and hold your bike in place?

I've heard that the power application on the AT leaves a lot to be desired when you need the power on fast, or you need it to stay on, like a big sandy hill climb or clearing a log. Maybe that's just folks needing to adjust their riding styles though.

Obviously it is absolutely great for those with mobility issues, and anythign that gets more folks riding and keeps them riding sounds good to me!
 
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