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If you are tired of seeing Trooper Arena posts and wish you never joined that forum, I've found a way to adjust a members profile so threads in that area are never seen again. Send me a PM and I'll make the change once. Don't ask to be let back in if you decide to do that.

It's fine that people who like discussing controversial subjects have a place here to do so but it isn't everybody's idea of what should be on a motorcycle site.

Here's a warning for this thread though. Don't bring up controversial issues in this thread. Talk about it in the Arena if you want. I won't even be able to see it. Big B moderates there. Abuse this thread with stuff that belongs in the Arena and you might find yourself losing access there.
 

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If you are tired of seeing Trooper Arena posts and wish you never joined that forum, I've found a way to adjust a members profile so threads in that area are never seen again. Send me a PM and I'll make the change once. Don't ask to be let back in if you decide to do that.

It's fine that people who like discussing controversial subjects have a place here to do so but it isn't everybody's idea of what should be on a motorcycle site.
Sometimes, mostly when bored or sick, I peruse or participate there. But it would be nice to see the "ACTIVE TOPICS" button split into "Active Motorcycle Topics" and "Active Off-Topic Threads". The latter would include the Trooper Arena and Member Therapy sub-fora. I'm not tired of seeing updates from there, but sometimes they are pushing on-topic stuff off the bottom of the 20 item page limit for "ACTIVE TOPICS".

(This is not a request for that irreversible thread visibility change.)
 

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Yes. This will only apply to moderators and people who signed up and later wished they hadn't.
 

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I made the mistake of wandering in there for the first time a couple of weeks ago...it can get pretty ugly over there. Found out TMI about some folks on here that tended to (subconsciously) temper the respect I had for them based on their knowledge about motorcycle topics. Never again for me.
 

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I am here to communicate with friends. To discuss a multitude of topics that relate to our common interests. I can open what I want and ignore what I want. I guess I am not sure what we are trying to prevent here. Is not the Arena like the adult tape section at the VCR store used to be?

I have been away for a while and would comment that my return has been a little discouraging to me. Lots of members are gone, either because they tired of the site or the "big brother" attitude. The new security likely has contributed too.

This may be something that is not noticeable if you are here every day......but leave for a while and return and it is obvious.

Maybe I am just used to ADVRider.
 

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What "big brother attitude" are you referring to? I see none here at all. The rules are the rules and you agree to abide by them when you sign in. It is fairly, if not very, simple. If you don't like the rules then don't sign up.:smile2: ADV has different rules and they are their standards, that are obviously set lower than they are on here. All forums have periods when folks leave/join in numbers but that is the way that life is, not the "attitudes" that you seem to have some problem with.

This place is just fine the way that it is for me thank you.:grin2:

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How is there a Big Brother attitude? There's a whole forum dedicated to people being able to talk, discuss and bitch about whatever they want; you just can't hijack a thread about, say, tire choices, with any rantings and ravings about whatever ax you have to grind at that particular moment. That seems like the perfect balance to me. I've been on ADV Rider, and frankly, I'm glad this isn't a forum where the discussion of something like places to camp on BLM land turns into an anti-government screed that would give Cliven Bundy an erection.

I don't even own a V-Strom any more, but I keep coming here because it's one of the few motorcycle forums that maintains some sort of standards, and yet allows enough leeway for those that want it to howl at the moon as much as they want.
 

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I made the mistake of wandering in there for the first time a couple of weeks ago...it can get pretty ugly over there. Found out TMI about some folks on here that tended to (subconsciously) temper the respect I had for them based on their knowledge about motorcycle topics. Never again for me.


Now you have me curious LOL what's the damn password?!


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We have the same controversy over at BurgmanUSA as if some people want to divorce the rest of life from their motorcycling. Like there, this is an international forum ( ADVRider even more so ) and I think it's very healthy to get a variety of views on controversial topics and the Trooper Arena works just fine for that.

It's a good idea to be able to opt out of the topics in there and wish I could do that with posts on religion on another rationalism forum I frequent.

The controversial topic forum ie Trooper Arena is a good place to correct misconceptions about other countries and systems like universal healthcare.
Riding in the US is a terror if you don't have extensive healthcare insurance for instance...a casual ride to Pennsylvania and a crash in the twists could bankrupt the unwary Canadian.
Not thinking and trying to bring a gun into Canada could lead to very serious consequences to an unwary American.

But both are controversial topics not directly related to motorcycles but yet a significant factor for some. The arena is a good place to battle the opinions out without interrupting other threads and gives mods a spot to toss threads that stray into controversial areas not related to riding.

Grey Wolf is not fond of the Arena and shows it in the OP :D ....but he's a good enough mod to realize there are other views of it.
He probably figured this "patch" to keep his own sanity and is inviting others of a similar mind.
 

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I must be doing something wrong.

When I log on I use this URL:

http://www.stromtrooper.com/usercp.php

This is basically hitting the "User CP" button and will show the new threads I have subscribed to and a list of subscribed forums. It looks like this:

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Once I look at the subscribed threads I will hit the "New Posts" button and get any new threads since the last time I logged on. I don't think any trooper threads show apart from subscribed ones.

I only ever see trooper posts for threads I have either subscribed to or if I go out of my way into the trooper area. I will not see anything from the trooper area unless I actively look for it.

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I saw every Trooper thread containing a new post whenever I clicked the New Posts button. Usually, 1/4 to 1/2 of the threads shown were Trooper threads. It's an extremely popular section but the extremism, group labeling, anger and divisiveness in the titles made me sad. I don't need any reminders that my county is so divided. I've never subscribed to a thread or looked at the list of subscribed threads, so my list there is all the threads I've posted in.
 

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Dam, just back again and I need to stand in the corner. My question revolved around just what from the arena was bleeding over to where the good people hang out. I must not be seeing it.

I enjoy this place or I would not be hanging here post Vstrom. But, you are kidding yourself if you believe the forum is as healthy as it was pre- security debacle.
 

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But, you are kidding yourself if you believe the forum is as healthy as it was pre- security debacle.
Yeah, probably I'm not. Guys have a place to talk about the stuff they want to talk about, and guys have a place where they don't have to listen to it. I've been here since 2012, before there even was a Trooper's Arena, and the changes since that time have made it a better site. The fact is that in here, there are guys who can't let a single topic go without turning it into some sort of divisive "us vs them" whinge-fest. Without the sort of moderation this site has, you couldn't mention that it's a warm winter without it becoming a climate change argument. You can't mention that a .45 is a nice caliber without it turning into a "gun" thread. And I'm glad it's the way it is. It's not about stifling discourse, it's about having a modicum of respect for others. If two Christians are having a theological discussion between themselves and I walk up and start extolling the virtues of atheism, I'm not "encouraging a healthy discussion"; I'm being a rude douchebag. There are guys on this site that would derail every thread into some sort of screed if the moderation wasn't in place, and now fortunately, they have someplace to go where that sort of thing isn't just tolerated, it's encouraged. Everybody wins, and it's a better forum than it was when I joined.
 

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I could be wrong, but I thought you could not see arena topics if you were not signed into the arena. Was that incorrect?

What concerns me more is arena style responses to requests for help in the main forum area. No doubt about it, the security debacle hurt the site bad. A lot of people just didn't bother to come back. But snide response tones in the main forum area like those used in the arena hurt as much or more. Snide remarks when someone is seeking help discourages the main reason for coming to a forum and alienates potential new members.

For a while I saw this "tone" slipping into main forum area posts. For example, multiple posts telling a short rider he bought the wrong bike instead of helping him find solutions. Another is putting forth the position that gear for mostly street riders is junk, when most most V-Strom owners keep mostly to the street. When people come for help we need to help, not alienate them.

Members will come an go. Unless they just go because the potential new members are put off buy the tone.
 

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I made the mistake of wandering in there for the first time a couple of weeks ago...it can get pretty ugly over there. Found out TMI about some folks on here that tended to (subconsciously) temper the respect I had for them based on their knowledge about motorcycle topics. Never again for me.

Seriously......I mean......seriously? :frown:

I guess I fail to understand why/how some seem to be or get offended by what seems most anything and everything. I really enjoy having adult conversations with folks, in particular those that may not agree with what I may have to say or believe, isn't that typically how real world situations get resolved? The Arena is MILD.......very MILD, and overwhelmingly I see very few instances of internet tough guys/gals hiding behind a keyboard. One big reason a motorcycle enthusiast forum like ADVrider is so popular, is partly due to its off topic sections. :fineprint: If some want to hide and ignore any type of controversial discussions or topics, just simply don't click on the threads. Of course if Pat and or VS admin can make it so that those who have zero interest in ever visiting the Arena, or do not want to see any posts from there, I very much hope that can somehow be accomplished. How is a forum any different than a newspaper or your TV guide listing all the shows available to watch, don't you skip what you have zero interest in reading? :confused: There is nothing wrong with a bit of controversy and differing opinions/views, or should we just get rid of the "off topic" section here as well? Attendance is down on this forum, and I agree much of that is due to the unnecessary security breach re-boot. I really respect those who have zero interest in avoiding confrontations, but in my experience many times individuals like that are also known to pretty much keep to themselves in many aspects. I am a social anti social person, I am all kinds of messed up. :grin2:

The reason we need the Arena, is because the off topic section is so darn strict, and more times than not a topic will always go off the tracks and get locked down or moved. I see the off topic section as almost not even relevant anymore, why not just put anything off topic in the Arena? Here is why..........because the majority of new posts would all be coming from there, and those who come here only for all things V-Strom, would likely be hitting the road.
 

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Controversy, and controversial subjects are never dealt with by avoidance..attempts to sway another's opinion are all part of debate.
 

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Brian, I don't think that's what G-Dub is saying.

It seems to me that he is saying that, after perusing some of the entries on the Arena, he began to learn things about people he respected or liked that caused him to revaluate his opinion about them. That can happen, even to people who lust after a good argument. Everyone has their own core set of beliefs, and everyone has a breaking point that, if that core set of values is breached by someone else, they just can't feel the same about them any more. I have no doubt that plenty of friendships/family relationships were strained beyond the breaking point during this past election, because one side found out that they just couldn't accept knowing how the other side felt about a lot of key concepts. To some people, those key concepts might seem stupid, but to others, they're important enough that you just can't be friends with them any more. My ex-father in law was a fervent Second Amendment supporter, and he would not even speak to someone if he found out that they weren't. That issue was important enough to him that it superseded everything else about the other person's character. Many people decided they wouldn't read books by Orson Scott Card, once they realized his stance on certain social issues, even though none of his books had anything to do with these issues. They could no longer look at his work with the same eye, because their knowledge of him personally colored their perceptions. You might think that losing respect for someone over a key concept issue is stupid, until you get to your own key concept. You might not care at all about someone's political viewpoint, but his viewpoint on something else (such as, "I don't think pedophiles should be incarcerated, they need help not punishment) is all you need to know to decide that a person you formerly respected is now a total wanker.

Sometimes it's best not to know the innermost thoughts of your friends. One of the reasons that I got off Facebook years ago was that the unfiltered thoughts of too many of my friends became pretty damn depressing.
 

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Controversy, and controversial subjects are never dealt with by avoidance..attempts to sway another's opinion are all part of debate.
Nor are they dealt with by trying to compel someone to be exposed to controversy when they have absolutely no interest in the subject. The issue here isn't about someone trying to stifle controversial voices; it's about giving the people who don't have any interest in the controversial topics the ability to opt out of seeing them if they so desire. There are huge numbers of people (as evidenced by our usual voter turnout in the US) that have absolutely no interest in involving themselves in controversy, or debate, or loudmouthed argument.

Greywolf was offering a solution to people who want to opt out. I was partners once with a devout Christian who blocked certain channels on his TV. Not because he had kids, but because he was personally upset by the content of the channels. He wasn't trying to censor anyone, or prevent free speech; he did it because he didn't want to expose himself to things he found distasteful. I respected him for that, because he was making a choice for himself, and not trying to make the choice for others whether or not they could watch those channels. That's the option being offered here; if guys would rather not see threads every day with titles like "Why Hillary is the Anti-Christ", and that can be done without impinging on anyone else's right to view and participate in those threads, then I see freedom in action.
 

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I saw every Trooper thread containing a new post whenever I clicked the New Posts button. Usually, 1/4 to 1/2 of the threads shown were Trooper threads. It's an extremely popular section but the extremism, group labeling, anger and divisiveness in the titles made me sad. I don't need any reminders that my county is so divided. I've never subscribed to a thread or looked at the list of subscribed threads, so my list there is all the threads I've posted in.
I wonder if being a Moderator here means you automatically see more than regular users. On another board I am moderator there are several Mod only forums where we can discuss things among ourselves.

..Tom
 
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