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Hi,i thought i'd post this here(might as well get laughed at here as well as SVRider:smilewinkgrin:).
I'm going to buy a bike in England for the first time since 1979,but we have had a bike in the US for 15yrs. (yeah i'm old).
Now to the point,i want a V-TWIN the lighter the better,that can carry 2 people.
I thought the DL650 looked about the only choice,but i've never had a tall bike(i'm only 5'10"with short legs(29"inseam)passengers 5'2"same inseam)so I was worried about the height,so we went to the local dealer & i'm very on my tip toes which isn't confidence inspiring with a passenger(when stopped).
The sales guy suggested sitting on a Gladius,which fits me like a glove,but passenger ergos are very different than we're used to,narrower seat & very knees bent leg position,which is great for young people,but maybe not so great for Pensioners:bom_grin:
Can't decide between getting the Strom & set about lowering,at least 2" in total(seat,suspension)i'm not really into lowering bikes as a practice,with our last 3 US bikes i've raised the suspension a bit(but they where low cruisers).
Or get the Gladius & hope for the best with sorting out the pillion comfort(no ready made solution)so custom seat & get inventive with the pass peg position.
The other big advantage of the Gladius(for me)is the 17" front wheel I didn't like the feel of a 19" front wheel on the cruiser.Can you fit a 17" Gladius wheel on a Strom?:confused:
Any comments welcome:mrgreen:
 

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Go for it

I have a 2012 650 (L2 or 'Glee'), which I think is slightly taller than the previous models. I'm a shorter person (and inseam is perhaps 31" and three quarters) and wanted more confidence footing the bike around. I fitted lowering links to bring the rear down by one and one eighth inches -- and also dropped the forks up through the triple-clamps a bit, in a bid to get the front/rear balance back towards what it was as stock.
I have ridden a stock L2 recently -- and see that now that I'm used to the bike and the height -- I could ride a stock height bike, if I took more care with the lay of the land. I like having more confidence whatever the slope or dip between the wheels -- so I'm leaving my lowering as it is.
For a shorter inseam -- the seat could have it's rubber blocks cut in half, height-wise -- for a little more height drop.
I'm certainly glad to have bought the L2 model -- reported to have better torque feel etc -- and have improved that further with a Staintune muffler and exhaust collector. That may not be important to some riders, and we get used to what we have anyway.
I reckon, with a lowering link like mine, and the seat blocks done -- you'd be comfortable on an L2 model. On an earlier model 650, probably you wouldn't need the seat blocks chopped.
It is a comfortable bike for a pillion too (so the pillion said).
Go for it -- and just make the necessary changes
 

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I too have issues with the height of the V-Strom having a 30.5" inseam. A few of the questions I asked myself about the bike was "Am I too short for this bike?", "Will I be able to handle the height and top weight of this bike?", Will I become uncomfortable when I have to stop or make an emergency stop?" I found a great deal on an new 2012 650 Adventure and bought it thinking that if I was too short then I could sell the bike and not take too much of a loss. I took express ways home from the dealer and within the first 30 miles of stop and go traffic I realized that I could handle this bike and really enjoy it. After a week or so of riding, I purchased a pair of Kouba Lowering Links but after riding another 1654 miles I don't think I'm going to put the lowering links on. I don't know if the suspension has "settled" or I've become accustomed to the height/top weight but I have no issues with the height and I can get my toes and balls of my feet on the ground but can get 1 foot fully planted when needed. Ride the bike for awhile and you can make adjustments with the height if needed. :yesnod:
 

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You do not need to flat foot a motorcycle, that notion and expectation would be ludicrous. I am 5'11 with a 31 inch inseam and the Strom fits me plenty well.
 

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I'm 5-11 short legs and tall torso, only 29½ inseam, when I first got my Vee, I put lowering links and raised the fork tubes iirc about 5/8" in front and 3/4" with the links average the 2, I lowered it 11/16" it got me from balancing on my tippy toes to where I could rest one foot flat while still touching easily with my toe on the other
I didn't mind it lower, it actually feels much lower than it really is

but then I started riding in winter and realized due to my studded tires bottoming out on the underside on my underseat storage compartment and grinding a hole in it, that most of the lowering that comes from the links is lessening the distance between the rear subframe and the swingarm and not actually lowering the bike that much, most of the lowering comes from moving the fork tubes

since, I've upgraded the suspension WP and raised it back up, but with my darkside experiment, running a shorter rear tire by about 2.5mm and took the rubber blocks off my seat pan, lowering the seat to the frame about ½"

After I got used to the weight of Vee since my last bike (SV650) the tallness was not so cumbersome

I do have a problem throwing my leg over when I have luggage but that's another story



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Short guy reporting, 5'-4", 27" inseam, I rode it for a week before getting adjustable lowering links 1-1/4" and lowered triple tree 3/4" (want to go lower in front to match, just need to borrow that torque wrench again from a friend. I could just even out the back, I can tell the current suspension setup isn't ideal.


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Thanks

Thanks for the replies,i
l'll just have to pay my money & take my choice.
BigB,there's no such thing as need with a Motorbike,there's only want:mrgreen:.
Plus if my legs where as long as yours,there wouldn't be a thread,though there's always the 19' front wheell to start a thread about:wink5:
 

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FXD,

You could get the Gladius and change the seat and get a foot-peg lowering kit. In my mind, this might be the better option because you are not touching the suspension. And you get the smaller wheel. If you were going to do the work yourself, this is also the easier option.
 

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Thanks,John.This is pretty much what i've decided to do.
The gladius feels great for me,which came as a surprise after the sit up & beg riding position i'm used to,it's just the passenger ergos that MIGHT be a problem,i'm going to test ride one this week:yesnod:
FXD,

You could get the Gladius and change the seat and get a foot-peg lowering kit. In my mind, this might be the better option because you are not touching the suspension. And you get the smaller wheel. If you were going to do the work yourself, this is also the easier option.
 

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Thanks,John.This is pretty much what i've decided to do.
The gladius feels great for me,which came as a surprise after the sit up & beg riding position i'm used to,it's just the passenger ergos that MIGHT be a problem,i'm going to test ride one this week:yesnod:
While you're at it, you might want to take a look at the new Yamaha triple. In the States, it's called the FZ 09 and appears to be a lot more bike for about the same as the Gladius. It's what I'd get at that pricepoint. But the seat might be worse.
 

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if you want your wife/girl on the back skip the gladiolus.

I'd probably have a dosodura if not for my wife and my desire to put her on the back.

some after market seats take your inseam into consideration.
while my corbin makes it harder to flat foot if I'm sitting back in the dish if I scoot up to the tank I flat foot for days with my 32" inseam.
 

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Gladiolus?

Hi,Teknik.I ONLY ride with my wife,we've been riding together for more than 50yrs.
I think any small capacity V-Twin(has to be a V-Twin)that is at the weight of the Gladius(or SFV650 if you prefer:))is going to be challenging for passenger ergos,but at our age I have had enough of hauling around heavy 2up bikes,so the Gladius looks as good a starting point as any.
Plus in the UK at the moment Suzuki are offering The Gladius/Strom at a big discount which puts the Gladius at about 2K less than a similar weight/spec BMW for example.

if you want your wife/girl on the back skip the gladiolus.

I'd probably have a dosodura if not for my wife and my desire to put her on the back.

some after market seats take your inseam into consideration.
while my corbin makes it harder to flat foot if I'm sitting back in the dish if I scoot up to the tank I flat foot for days with my 32" inseam.
 

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I don't only ride with my wife (she's 5' 0") as I only ride a motorcycle however she does come on many rides with me.


my wife's comfort on the back is why I bought a DL650 two months ago.

I dropped the money on a corbin seat and now I can't get her off the back of the bike. She loves that seat. They do take your inseam when they make it but I don't know if it'd get your down on your feet enough to feel confident.

For me at 6' 1/2" the Gladaus was way to small and the back seat looked like she'd really be hanging on.

On the DL650 the little girl can see over my head.
 

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What I think people are missing here is that the OP has SHORT legs, and will always have his wife on the back. That's going to make the Strom way too tall for him. I love my Wee, but I'm 6'5" with a 36" inseam, and I've had to stretch a leg to reach the ground on an off camber road. Get the Gladius, and find a good custom seat maker. Add a top box, you'll enjoy the storage and wifey will feel more secure with something to lean back on. Find some way to lower the rear pegs. I looked at a couple of photos of the Gladius, and the hard part is going to be getting the right peg lowered around the muffler. The Wee Strom footpegs are on outriggers to get around the Wee's muffler. Would there be some way of attaching a set of Wee rear footpegs ( Perhaps bought from a motorcycle breaker?) to a Gladius? Maybe a counterbored hole added to where the Gladius's footpegs mount?
 

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Hi,TOScootz,thanks for the words of hope:mod2_yes:the DL passenger outriggers are exactly what i mentioned in a post on SVRider forum,the other option i've thought about is lowering the exhaust,but i don't know if there's any wiggle room where the muffler joins the collector,if anyone who has changed/altered mufflers could give me any idea,i'd appreciate it.
I have now ridden both the Gladius & the DL650 & i really like the Gladius it just feels great on the road & fits me perfect.
i'm trying to make the decision to just buy the Gladius & then make the passenger comfort right afterwards,but it would be nice if i could figure it out,before spending the money,i'm pretty sure my better half would mention it quite a bit :mrgreen: if i screw up(again).
As an aside I mentioned my post on the SVrider forum,but I don't think they can comprehend anyone worrying about passenger ergos,they probably think i'm an old fart who should give up,the bad part is,they could be right.
What I think people are missing here is that the OP has SHORT legs, and will always have his wife on the back. That's going to make the Strom way too tall for him. I love my Wee, but I'm 6'5" with a 36" inseam, and I've had to stretch a leg to reach the ground on an off camber road. Get the Gladius, and find a good custom seat maker. Add a top box, you'll enjoy the storage and wifey will feel more secure with something to lean back on. Find some way to lower the rear pegs. I looked at a couple of photos of the Gladius, and the hard part is going to be getting the right peg lowered around the muffler. The Wee Strom footpegs are on outriggers to get around the Wee's muffler. Would there be some way of attaching a set of Wee rear footpegs ( Perhaps bought from a motorcycle breaker?) to a Gladius? Maybe a counterbored hole added to where the Gladius's footpegs mount?
 

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I'm also 5' 10" with a 29" inseam. The bike was a little tall at first but once I adjusted the sag properly and got used to it it's fine. I never wanted to lower the bike either. I only lowered the front about 10mm. When I my wife is on the back then it's really easy to flat foot it, otherwise I can flat foot one and tip toe the other.

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+1 Bassbronco, 5'6" with 29" inseam here and refuse to lower my strom. Can't flat foot on my best day, wife on or off. Well maybe at times when I pull into the many ruts we have in our wonderful road system here. Slide my butt to the side needing to put foot to pavement and good to go. If I let my height stop me from doing the things I love I'd still be in the Highchair eating soft foods! Be all you can be, don't limit yourself because someone else tells you, you can't!


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My experience, 2013 DL650 Adv. I'm about 5'11" with a 30 " inseam. All comments are with all the bags on the bike, full tank of fuel, but the bags aren't loaded.

When riding solo with the bike in the stock rear setting, 2 lines showing, I can flat foot my left foot at a stop, but if I want to balance the bike on both my feet then the balls of my feet will only touch. This is only really an issue if you are trying to back the bike up while riding solo. Otherwise it is not really a problem. I've recently came off a trip where both bags where full ( one with camping equipment ) and the trunk about 1/2 full. I never adjusted the suspension for the additional load, and I had the same results with my feet on the ground. Also no bottoming out and the bike handled fine in its stock setting.

When my wife gets on the bike, I adjust the preload all the way up to accommodate both of us. Then I can flat foot the bike with both feet. The rear suspension does sag some with two on, but it doesn't bottom out with both of us and the bike handles the weight fine.

The bike is not top heavy, compared to other bikes that I've owned. I have thought about lowering the bike a bit say 1/2" but I think I'll leave it alone as I can always adjust the preload down a bit more.

I am thinking about going to a slightly heavier rear spring so the bike will better handle the 2 up loads, both of us together with all our gear would weight about 370 lbs. So you can use this as an idea of how the bike will work.

Suzuki also make 3 different seats a low, standard & high model. That also may allow you to tailor the bike to your needs.
 

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Another shorty looking into a vstrom 650. Just finished a rider course tonight, getting my license tomorrow, and going to a dealership to check how I fit on one of these stock. I was initially leaning towards a BMW F650GS (single) with the lowered suspension.

If all goes well, I'll be getting one this weekend.
 
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