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Assume that Suzuki never made a 1000 V-strom. Assume that they wanted to "upgrade" their 650...better brakes, better suspension, better two up capabilities, more torque, more horsepower, better handling, better seat, etc.
In my opinion, that is what the new 1000 is like. A "very good" upgraded 650.
 

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Assume that Suzuki never made a 1000 V-strom. Assume that they wanted to "upgrade" their 650...better brakes, better suspension, better two up capabilities, more torque, more horsepower, better handling, better seat, etc.
In my opinion, that is what the new 1000 is like. A "very good" upgraded 650.
Not a bad way of viewing it. The lighter weight of the 650 has always been one of its big advantages over the 1000, and the new one splits the difference between the 650 and the old 1000.
With the lighter weight the new 1000 is pretty close to the VStrom 800 a lot us wished for, but with more power. :)
Jury's still out on the handling and seat though, we won't know that until they start shipping.
 

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Not a bad way of viewing it. The lighter weight of the 650 has always been one of its big advantages over the 1000, and the new one splits the difference between the 650 and the old 1000.
With the lighter weight the new 1000 is pretty close to the VStrom 800 a lot us wished for, but with more power. :)
Jury's still out on the handling and seat though, we won't know that until they start shipping.
I did sit on the seat the NY IMS this past weekend. The seat did feel comfortable, and has been widened in the rear as many of the custom seats are designed. I did comment on another thread that the stock height was fine for me ( 30" inseam ), as my '11 Wee is lowered 1" in the rear. The seat is made of non-slip material which appeared durable. When sitting on the Vee2, I felt right at home as if I was sitting on my Wee. I will assume that the handling should be as good or better than the Wee, as it is only 25 pounds heavier wet, and the dimensions are very close. :thumbup:
 

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They should have kept it looking like the 650.
Why? All that would do is maintain the status quo, which was that nobody bought the 1000 because the 650 version was lighter, smoother, shorter, cheaper and got better gas mileage.
 

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Just curious, what keeps it from being looked at as a very good upgrade to the 1000?

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Just curious, what keeps it from being looked at as a very good upgrade to the 1000?

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It is a very good upgrade to the 1000. I think what is clouding the issue here is the fact that for many years the 650 outsold the 1000 by about 4:1. Also, the 650 had/has no where near the issues that the 1000 had/has.As I have always felt, if the new 1000 is as good as the 650, and has more power and a few goodies, it will be a great selling bike for those with $4k more to spend.
 

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... nobody bought the 1000 because the 650 version ... got better gas mileage.
This was the deal breaker for me to decide on the 650. From a reliable 50mpg to less than 40 (~38 is the number I've seen most often) was too big a drop, especially given that other liter size bikes are able to get around 50.
 

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It is a very good upgrade to the 1000. I think what is clouding the issue here is the fact that for many years the 650 outsold the 1000 by about 4:1. Also, the 650 had/has no where near the issues that the 1000 had/has.
Interestingly, BMW had painted themselves into the same corner many years ago with the K75 triple. It was lighter, smoother, more reliable, cheaper and more fun to ride than the K100 four that was introduced before it. So people stopped buying the K100. There are still many K75's on the road today.
 

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I guess you could look at it any way you want but the fact is its not an upgraded 650 and they did make a 1000.
The engine is entirely different from the 650 for starters. Its clear they wanted to give the bike its own identity from the 650. Its a revamped 1000 and thats about all there really is to it.
 

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unless we are talking about a straight line for top end speed, the truth is the 650 is a faster bike. I don't know any riders that could use the power of the 1000 correctly.
Having said that I would like to own the 1000 just because it is more fun to twist it's tail.
 

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This has me a little confused.
So the new Vee is a natural progression of the 650 wee model line?
Did I hear the old wee is faster than a Vee?

What there is some truth to is the new Vee has the old Vee's engine. Improved...yes, but same cases, virtually the same heads. Gear driven cams. Its not a bigger 650 engine.

The new 1000 is really a different direction than both the previous wee, glee, or Vee. But, for better or worse (I believe better) the new 1000 will retain the old Vee's horsepower and the torque curve just moves downhill a little. The new 1000 will still suck gas. Hopefully, it will be tuned correctly out of the box. But truth is, its very easy to tune the old Vee's engine to run properly.

I would love to have seen the new 1000 look very glee like in styling. I believe the glee is the best looking AdvSport on the market. The new 1000 in photos looks funky to me.
 

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unless we are talking about a straight line for top end speed, the truth is the 650 is a faster bike. I don't know any riders that could use the power of the 1000 correctly.
Having said that I would like to own the 1000 just because it is more fun to twist it's tail.

Interesting.....because I know a few.
 

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Interesting.....because I know a few.
I'd guess that there aren't many riders on the road who can use the extra horsepower between the 650 and 1 litre engine very often. Sure it makes it easier for overtakes as you can just open the throttle on the bigger engined bike, assuming your somewhere near the power range, whereas on the smaller engine you might have to change down a gear to get the same acceleration.

One test of using the power, how often, and for how long are you on full throttle? If the answer to both questions is never, and you ride the 650 then I'd suggest that the 650 has enough power for you. For me I rarely have full throttle for any length of period so the 650 has 99% of the time enough power, which is not to say that I'd enjoy having the bigger engine, and the easy extra power it should give.
 

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This has me a little confused.

Did I hear the old wee is faster than a Vee?
The 1000 had more power, but that didn't always mean it had an advantage over the 650. The extra weight, the binary clutch, the lumpy motor and heavier handling made the Wee a lot better off the seal and on tight sealed roads.

Off road personally I'd say it's how slow you can ride a bike not how fast that makes the killer difference. Around here top speed on dirt is limitted by my desire to stay alive, not my bike's power.

Lowering the usable powerband and sharpening the handling might make the new 1000 a better bike than the 650, or at least a lot closer than it was.

If you were mainly touring at speed on seal with at worst only the occasional short patches of gravel road or roadworks the old 1000 was the better bike.

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I'd guess that there aren't many riders on the road who can use the extra horsepower between the 650 and 1 litre engine very often. Sure it makes it easier for overtakes as you can just open the throttle on the bigger engined bike, assuming your somewhere near the power range, whereas on the smaller engine you might have to change down a gear to get the same acceleration.

One test of using the power, how often, and for how long are you on full throttle? If the answer to both questions is never, and you ride the 650 then I'd suggest that the 650 has enough power for you. For me I rarely have full throttle for any length of period so the 650 has 99% of the time enough power, which is not to say that I'd enjoy having the bigger engine, and the easy extra power it should give.
The Vee has more power all across the RPM range, not just at full throttle so your question isn't really valid. How often do I use the extra power? Every time I get on the bike.

I would say a better question is, how often on the 650 are you reaching for more throttle only to find that there isn't any more. If the answer is never, then you are on the perfect bike, if the answer is anything else, you would use more power if you had it. Let's be honest, a 20 year old gs500 can maintain highway speed safely so the argument about "how much power you need/can use" is pretty pointless since anything more than that is unnecessary and probably illegal. Arguing that its faster "as long as there are not straightaways" is pretty pointless too, since most roads are not all tight corners. If you have to qualify it and set specific standards, then your argument is pointless since we live in the real world.

It's a great commuter and gets great gas mileage, and its got an adequate amount of power...all true...but not exactly exciting. The majority of people who ride motorcycles do so for fun, so if you find the bigger bike more fun, more power to ya, go for it.
 

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The Vee has more power all across the RPM range, not just at full throttle so your question isn't really valid. How often do I use the extra power? Every time I get on the bike.

I would say a better question is, how often on the 650 are you reaching for more throttle only to find that there isn't any more. If the answer is never, then you are on the perfect bike, if the answer is anything else, you would use more power if you had it. Let's be honest, a 20 year old gs500 can maintain highway speed safely so the argument about "how much power you need/can use" is pretty pointless since anything more than that is unnecessary and probably illegal. Arguing that its faster "as long as there are not straightaways" is pretty pointless too, since most roads are not all tight corners. If you have to qualify it and set specific standards, then your argument is pointless since we live in the real world.

It's a great commuter and gets great gas mileage, and its got an adequate amount of power...all true...but not exactly exciting. The majority of people who ride motorcycles do so for fun, so if you find the bigger bike more fun, more power to ya, go for it.
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Well thought out position. For me, I find myself doing more longer trips including highways. Also, the additional power may be useful with my wife as a passenger. The additional power of the Vee2 is without a significant weight or size, and at 4k r.p.m. Having won $ recently at the casino, the additional $4-5k is within my budget at a perfect time.:thumbup:
 
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