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All boils down to the HP.....if you're fine with maybe not being able to pull off a chancey triple car overtake on a two lane road, then the 650 will be fine. I deliberately got the 650 because I know I'd not be able to stay off the horsepower if I had a 1000cc bike. It was a decision based upon survival.
Yep, this has occurred to me as well. I don't completely lack self control, but even on the FZ I've needed to remind myself to take it easy. The Vstrom makes similar peak hp, but more of it is available down low. I don't know if that will be a good or bad thing in terms of self-preservation. It really does come down to the nut behind the handlebars.
 

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So I'm new here and haven't read this entire thread, can someone summarize for me? What's the verdict?:p

I'm still tossing around the 650/1000 debate myself. I've ridden and SV650, never a 'strom of any kind. There is DL1000 for rent on Twisted Road near me, but he wants $200/day for it. I currently ride an Fz6, which couldn't be more different. Pretty much the other end of the spectrum in terms of power delivery. The FZ has big top end rush and delivers 90rwhp at 11.5K rpm but no low-end to speak of. The DL650 would suit me better most of the time, but I worry I would miss the ponies which has me leaning toward the 1000. I do like having that little something extra when you need some getaway speed.
It would be a well spent $200.00. You would kill two birds with one stone. Scratch the riding itch and see if that is the bike for you. The 2108 DL1000 & up has better shocks, brakes, motor, electronics than the 650. Is it better enough to justify the purchase, that is up for you to be the judge. With 2018 and 2019's having deep discounts it was a very easy decision for me and many others. I road both. I will take my wife on the occasional ride. I am 6ft and ready to ride ( ATGATT) I add 245 pounds to the back of Strom. The 1000 does the job just fine. It is easier to adjust the valves on the 1000. When I don't put the "beans" to it, I can average ~ 50mpg. I will never be able to understand those who buy a lower power motorcycle and justify that by talking about how they may go to fast?
 

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All boils down to the HP.....if you're fine with maybe not being able to pull off a chancey triple car overtake on a two lane road, then the 650 will be fine. I deliberately got the 650 because I know I'd not be able to stay off the horsepower if I had a 1000cc bike. It was a decision based upon survival.

It's more than horsepower.

The 1000 has much better brakes, suspension and components.There's good reasons it costs a third more than the 650. A side by side comparison is revealing!

BTW the 0-60 times are pretty close between the 650 and the 1000. Both are way quicker than most all cars on the road. Survival is about making good decisions while riding not what bike you're on!
 

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It's more than horsepower.

The 1000 has much better brakes, suspension and components.There's good reasons it costs a third more than the 650. A side by side comparison is revealing!

BTW the 0-60 times are pretty close between the 650 and the 1000. Both are way quicker than most all cars on the road. Survival is about making good decisions while riding not what bike you're on!
It may come down to money for me in the end. There are a couple new '18 models near me, both the 650 and 1000. There's around a $2500 dollar difference between them. I am sure it is justified, I just need to decide if it works for my budget. I think part of the reason people labor over the decision to get the 650 or the 1000 is there is almost no wrong answer.
 

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All boils down to the HP.....if you're fine with maybe not being able to pull off a chancey triple car overtake on a two lane road, then the 650 will be fine. I deliberately got the 650 because I know I'd not be able to stay off the horsepower if I had a 1000cc bike. It was a decision based upon survival.
I thought about writing close to the same justification for the 650. I'd certainly use the power and speed if I had it. I get to borrow a ZX14R every now and then. Always glad to hand the keys back. Fun, but I lack the self control for something that fast.
 

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Same , if I had a thou I'm not so sure I'd trust my judgement for overtakes cos I'm getting older ( eyesight , reaction times ) , yeah , yeah just knowing me I'd just wanna gun it too often .
Feel safer riding a 650 though miss the torque of a bigger bike from time to time .
Sure like the look of the latest 1050
 

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Question for the strommers from a prospective buyer. I'm looking at new (2019) 650s and 1000s here, and with the way the market is, they are basically the same price. 650 ABS with cast wheels for around $8500 or various 1000 and 1000x (cast wheels or spoke wheels) for about $10000. Other than lighter weight and probably longer fuel range, is there any reason I shouldn't just go with a 1000?

My use case would be probably 90% paved road, 10% decent gravel road and with a pillion about 20% of the time. Mostly short day and weekend trips (<1000 miles) with occasional cross country type trips not more than once a year.

I'm relatively small (5'8 150lbs) but I think they're pretty similar seat height and I'm used to taller bikes anyway.

My sense is that the better brakes alone really sell the 1000, is there anything I'm missing here?

Thanks in advance for any advice!
 

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Question for the strommers from a prospective buyer. I'm looking at new (2019) 650s and 1000s here, and with the way the market is, they are basically the same price. 650 ABS with cast wheels for around $8500 or various 1000 and 1000x (cast wheels or spoke wheels) for about $10000. Other than lighter weight and probably longer fuel range, is there any reason I shouldn't just go with a 1000?

My use case would be probably 90% paved road, 10% decent gravel road and with a pillion about 20% of the time. Mostly short day and weekend trips (<1000 miles) with occasional cross country type trips not more than once a year.

I'm relatively small (5'8 150lbs) but I think they're pretty similar seat height and I'm used to taller bikes anyway.

My sense is that the better brakes alone really sell the 1000, is there anything I'm missing here?

Thanks in advance for any advice!
I think taking the time to read the many posts here should give you a lot of info.
I do like the better brakes and suspension on my 2018 DL1000.
Ride them both, then you
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Question for the strommers from a prospective buyer. I'm looking at new (2019) 650s and 1000s here, and with the way the market is, they are basically the same price. 650 ABS with cast wheels for around $8500 or various 1000 and 1000x (cast wheels or spoke wheels) for about $10000. Other than lighter weight and probably longer fuel range, is there any reason I shouldn't just go with a 1000?

My use case would be probably 90% paved road, 10% decent gravel road and with a pillion about 20% of the time. Mostly short day and weekend trips (<1000 miles) with occasional cross country type trips not more than once a year.

I'm relatively small (5'8 150lbs) but I think they're pretty similar seat height and I'm used to taller bikes anyway.

My sense is that the better brakes alone really sell the 1000, is there anything I'm missing here?

Thanks in advance for any advice!
The only area where the 1000 falls down is stop go traffic. Well city riding generally the 650 is nicer but the 1000 I find needs a lot more effort in the slow stuff. I have both bikes currently, I was going to sell the 650 when I got the 1000 but the commute was night and day better on the 650. Don't misunderstand, I could do it on the 1000 but it's easier and a lot more relaxed on the 650. Yes, you can have too much acceleration ;).

Other than that, mainly out of town riding the only time you'd regret the 1000 would be that really rare long haul where the gas station you expected to be open wasn't. The 650 does get better mpg, but it's normally not a problem or really even a cost issue.
 

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The brakes and suspension were the reason I started wandering... great bike and always has your back.

If mostly city, my 650 was dreamy.
 

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Thanks for all of the thoughts on the 650 vs 1000! I know it’s kind like asking which oil is best, but I do appreciate hearing about others experiences on them. Either would be so wildly different than what I’m on right now

I’ll post up some pictures of whatever I end up with when I do make a deal!
 

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Agreed, and +1 on the bicycle for around town. My RZ350 is pretty rotten in traffic. It's a blast on any twisty back road, but also pretty high maintenance which is why I'm shopping for something a bit more modern to park beside it.
 

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If you are only counting dollars what ever extra you spend now you will likely get back at the other end.

You are not throwing cash away you do get a little more for your money.

I tell the bride it's money in the bank.
 

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I have both bikes currently,
Pete since you have both, does the 1000 have a bit more ground clearance?

Here is my 650XA compared to some dirt bikes, yes there is no luggage on dirt bikes and the boys are probably 50lbs lighter, but still the 650 Strom is very low.

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Unfair comparison. I fitted my 650 out explicitly for dirt, it has better suspension for that than the 1000 BUT did need a fork brace (badly) to stop the front wheel getting stuck in ruts. Worst I've had to do is slow down when it gets lumpy so for the riding I did the clearance wasn't an issue.

I brought the 1000 as my long range touring bike, I like touring on the back roads some something less fragile than the typical road bike was the aim.

That said, I have had the 1000 in unsealed roads (like 20k's of highyway being rebuilt, so deep soft patches, fresh gravel etc and pretty hellish riding in practice), I actually found it very easy to do, certainly easier than a stock 650 - up until - and that's the catch with the 1000, it is definitely too heavy for me off road. If something goes wrong I could save the 650, not the 1000. I didn't drop it, but there were 45 years of experience behind the not dropping. I didn't notice more clearance I'll put it like that.
Measuring in the garage I get 7-1/2" for the 1000, 6-3/4 for the 650 but the underbelly protection is different. The 650 has the Hyde racing belly pan that bends and has survived some monstrous impacts, the 1000 a Givi, enough to protect from road debris and gravel, known to fold under pressure.

If you were tall strong and brave, maybe the 1000 is better. For me the 650 with suspension mods was my weapon of choice when riding with 1200GS's and KTM 990's. Apart from very rare clearance issues it was pretty much on a par with the other big pigs I was riding with.
 

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Unfair comparison. I fitted my 650 out explicitly for dirt, it has better suspension for that than the 1000 BUT did need a fork brace (badly) to stop the front wheel getting stuck in ruts. Worst I've had to do is slow down when it gets lumpy so for the riding I did the clearance wasn't an issue.

I brought the 1000 as my long range touring bike, I like touring on the back roads some something less fragile than the typical road bike was the aim.

That said, I have had the 1000 in unsealed roads (like 20k's of highyway being rebuilt, so deep soft patches, fresh gravel etc and pretty hellish riding in practice), I actually found it very easy to do, certainly easier than a stock 650 - up until - and that's the catch with the 1000, it is definitely too heavy for me off road. If something goes wrong I could save the 650, not the 1000. I didn't drop it, but there were 45 years of experience behind the not dropping. I didn't notice more clearance I'll put it like that.
Measuring in the garage I get 7-1/2" for the 1000, 6-3/4 for the 650 but the underbelly protection is different. The 650 has the Hyde racing belly pan that bends and has survived some monstrous impacts, the 1000 a Givi, enough to protect from road debris and gravel, known to fold under pressure.

If you were tall strong and brave, maybe the 1000 is better. For me the 650 with suspension mods was my weapon of choice when riding with 1200GS's and KTM 990's. Apart from very rare clearance issues it was pretty much on a par with the other big pigs I was riding with.
Good answer. But I fail to understand how 40 more pounds of mass on the 1000 would be a problem vs the 650.
Using the proper technique lifting the 1000 vs the 650 should not be that different.
OTOH, I can see and appreciate a sub 400 pound bike... or better yet 300#....
In the pick up process.
However if one was at the very upper limit....I guess the extra 40 or so pounds might be the proverbial straw that broke the back
 

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Why is the 650 better off pavement?

Its easy to see why in the specs for both the 650 & 1000

With same sized tires on each
Recommended front air press...
650 33psi
1000 36psi

More weight on the front of the 1000 makes it more of a handful on the loose stuff

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Why is the 650 better off pavement?
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More weight on the front of the 1000 makes it more of a handful on the loose stuff
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Interesting observation but 3 PSI difference in front tire pressure isn't justification to say one 500 lb. bike is better than another 500 lb. "on the loose stuff".

They both suck!

Me I find the 1000 better to ride on dirt roads (and similar) than the 650. The 650 is underdamped and the brakes are numb in comparison. It always felt kind of "springy" to me where the 1000 feels more planted.
 
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