I'm not sure how offroad the Tat is but the new KTM 390 might be worth a look. Same price range as the DRZ but more road oriented. 45HP, WP suspension, etc To me it splits the difference between a V-Strom 650 and DRZ400. If youw ant to do some hardcore single track then the KTM would not be an option. In that case though i'd look more to the 250cc KTM dual sports... I just found the DRZ not quite good enough for single track, jumps, etc and not quite good enough for road use over longer distances. Don't take that the wrong way though, I really miss my DRZI want to ride the TAT, researching dirt oriented dual sports for the trip.
its hard to say. it depends on what you like. the 650 and 1000 have 2 different power deliveries. i have a 2014 1000 and i love it. i dont need to have a bigger motor to go faster. i have driven the 650 and it moves along. the difference is where the power is for me like on my 1000 its between 4k and 6k on that 90degree twin its different on the 650 and not saying that it wont keep up or handle long distance is not true they both will its just how that power is delivered to you and what you prefer.Not to be derogatory, it's a curiosity question. I've no doubt the "Wee" Strom is a lot of fun for a little while then I can't help wondering if the "Wish I got the litrebike" question doesn't rear it's head.
The DL1000 has a top engine but a lot of weight to carry around compared to a sports bike, does the 650 not get very wheezy when you just want to have fun and hoof it up to ..... fun speeds, and want to launch out of a corner when you spy the exit.
I'm sure as a commuter for day to day use the 650 is a good choice but touring with luggage, even a pillion ......??
To repeat .... a n00b question of curiosity
SECoda, I like the way you think. Would you please compare and contrast your Strom 1000 to the GS you rode? Year of the GS?The extra power of the 1000 for me is apparent when [trying] getting away from all of the crazy cagers but mainly in the Ozark hills and twisties. The 1000 requires much less shifting and work frankly. Try a climbing twisty with the 650 and then immediately the 1000. When I bought the 1000 I kept the 2013 650A about a month to do a back-to-back comparison. It was an eye opener where I live. More power to weight is significantly better and it has nothing to do with high speeds but acceleration and torque. I didn't "get it" until I could go back and forth. ;-)
(we actually tested other bikes in our twisty testing like an Super Tenere, and Africa Twin, a R1200GS, a GSX 1000, and my Versys-X 300)
I've had both the 650 (2012) and currently a 2014 1000. Can't agree with your opinion at all, here's mine!I have both. The 1000 is better on the long hauls on the motorways, heavier, more stable and a bit more oomph for avoiding trouble. The 650 is better everywhere else, and in particular I find it less tiring to ride. Part of that is that in the more open stuff the 1000 IS faster (Yeah, I know, I could slow down ... ) , but it takes a real effort to stop and turn, I'm maybe not goi2ng as fast on the 650 but it turns effortlessly and is quicker through the tighter stuff.
YOur words make sense about the gas milage. An engine is no more than a pump...period. For example 1000cc spinning at 4k, would be moving approximately the same air as a 600cc would be at 5000 rpm.....approximately. It make sense that under high power demands the 1000 would pull more fuel out of the tank.... but when we are talking about economy/ fuel consumed.... when an engine is at a steady state 4k or 6k.... they fuel needed will be relative to engine speed / load/ all of the external factors ( well lubed chain, wind, incline, weather, etc etc, etc). It is said that it takes about 15 hp to move a car 50 mph... but way way more to move it at 65. I know when it comes to tractor/trailers.... horse power requirements almost double from 55mph to 70!I've had both the 650 (2012) and currently a 2014 1000. Can't agree with your opinion at all, here's mine!
The 1000 is a much better bike in every aspect except fuel economy and really slow speed stuff. Mine gets about 10mpg less than the 650 and feels more top heavy.
The 1000 handles and stops so much better than the 650. I don't notice it being harder to turn in if anything it's more precise. The suspension on the 650 always felt a kind of springy/under damped. The 1000 feels like it's on rails in comparison, nice and planted when leaned over.
The brakes on the 1000 are very nice, good stopping power and feel. So much better than the 650. I don't know how one could ride both bikes and complain about the 1000's brakes or suspension. Then there's the motor...
I was making comparisons and extolling the superiority of the 1000....
When you say, "then there is the motor".... what do you mean? Does it feel unrefined.
Do it require you to keep it in the 4 to 6K rev range? From 6 to 8k, does it run out of pull power and instead just kind of wind up ?
If the chain you are referring to is the bike's then it doesn't have to be a lot of work.Sorry to hear about SECoda... condolences to all! What is it like these days to ride with a chain? How much of a headache is it to keep up with?
I have a 2014 DL1000, it's a weapon if you use the revs.On WEB BIKE WORLD( reviewing the 2104 DL1000) ... the author said the 1000DL engine was even worse than the Ducati at the time they were competing ( circa 1990's) . He said that no use to rev past 6,000 as nothing much happened. I understand that the 600 is happy to rev its entire range. But he made it sound like one has to shift constantly to keep revs in the 4-6k rpm range ( unless I misunderstood). Is the 2104 Gen 2 engine flexible... kinda like a BMW boxer?
So in so many words the dude on WEB BIKE WORLD... was wet behind the ears! ?I have a 2014 DL1000, it's a weapon if you use the revs.
The big difference from an inline 4 is that it FEELS slow because there's no sudden kick of power anywhere. The butt dyno lies because it's certainly not slow compared with sportsbikes on the local backroads any more. I'm sure they'd walk away on any long straight or with a really good rider on the sportsbike but I just don't seem to ride places with many of either. Admitted I'm probably in 2nd/3rd where a lot of them are in 4th but it's a quick bike if you make the effort.