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Hi all i'm new to this site as i currently ride a 2012 Speed Triple but not for long it's up for sale, i am keen on a v strom but not sure on what one to buy i know the vstrom will provide the comfort i'm chasing and will suit the crappy "tar" roads we have here in the Hunter Valley i do day rides up to 500kms .
The question i have is two up riding on a 650cc, will the bike handle it as i'm planing to have it long term.
The bike loaded up with a gear sack, rider 80kg, passanger 60kg ?
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Coming off that Triple I suspect you might find the 650 a little weak 2-up, definitely try it before you buy it.

I find the 650 power just fine for me personally and I am sure it would suffice 2-up, but it is not a rocket ship in my book and may be considered sluggish compared to that Triple - at least that's my recollection of riding the Triple.
 

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What is the combined riding weight of rider, pax, luggage?
 

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I'm a dedicated 650 man myself. That being said, I never ride 2-up. On the other hand, I go about 130kg myself alone, so your example weights should not be much of a strain on the bike. I've loaded mine up with about 35kg of gear and rode it for weeks with no problems. Did have to put a stronger rear spring on the original shock.
I came to the Vstrom from a Kawasaki Concours 14, so I am familiar with having lots of speed and power to play with. Honestly don't miss it one bit myself.
Despite all the mixed signals above, I'd have to say that if I was buying a brand new bike today, and was expecting to ride two-up, I'd get that sharp new 1000. (Even though I can't stand that "beak").
 

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I couldn't agree more
me too. try it first.
I got the 650 and love it, though most of my riding is open highways and some days I'd really like to have the 1000.
 

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I must have a great 650 then. I took it across country to the mountains of Colorado...many WAY up there. I weigh 200, and had both side cases and top cases loaded. Also had a dry bag across back seat with all the camping gear. Way heavy.

Rode it for many hours at very fast speeds on the interstates. It climbed every mountain pass very easily, and always had more speed/power on tap when I gave it more throttle. Didn't need to down shift on any of the road stretches.

My other bike is a Ultra Classic, lots of engine on that one producing mega torque. Didn't need that kind of power in my 650, it handled fine. So, never felt like I needed the 1000 to enjoy the ride at all.
 

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I've had 2 1000 (first 2) and now I'm on my 4th 650. I'm abount 80 kg and must say with full luggage and some extras I have much more fun riding 650 on my longer trips then riding 1000. Being on both bikes on BRP was also in fevour of 650. Even highways are better on 650.(except much higher then leagal speeds). On 1000 you don't know either you should use 5th gear or OD. None seems to be right. On 650 just go in 6th and cruise. Not much experience 2up end the luggage. Only me and my wife (about 65kg) 650 is just fine. Just today I was reading the story: the guy had 650, then met the girl. They started to ride together. He decided to get 1000. Then they got married and had kids. She didn't ride with him anymore. Today he is wondering why he ever decided to selL the Wee...
 

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Here's the hypothetical I'm curious about: I buy the 1000 to make sure I have plenty of power for 2 up riding. 2 up riding turns out to be rare. Why do I regret my choice of not getting the Wee?
 

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My personal view is:
  • The 650 is lighter and more agile.
  • The 650 gets much better mileage around town, which is important to some people and not important to others (my 2011 consistently gets 52MPG virtually everywhere I go). At 80MPH I hear the mileage is similar between both models.
  • Several common maintenance issues appear to be more common on the 1000 than on the 650. These are not deal breakers, but search the forum.
  • It seems everyone on a 650 is content with the horsepower they have, while many on a 1000 want to install power commanders and jet packs to make it go even faster. Heck yea, I'd do the same! :mrgreen:
  • I have a 650 therefore it's the better model. :thumbup:
 

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I've heard the lighter and more nimble a lot. Having never ridden a first gen Vee (only the new one) compared to the Wee, I'd say it's marginally more nimble, but neither bike is exactly sluggish. Anything about how they handle in traffic that I didn't experience?
 

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These aren't sport bikes but they don't mind being flogged once in a while. :)
Personally, I thought the 1000 was a rocket when I tested it. I knew it would get me in trouble and that was a small part of my decision.
Not sure what your traffic experience has been so far but if you don't go test ride both you'll end up buying one and always wonder if the grass is greener on the other side.
 

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Hi all i'm new to this site as i currently ride a 2012 Speed Triple but not for long it's up for sale, i am keen on a v strom but not sure on what one to buy i know the vstrom will provide the comfort i'm chasing and will suit the crappy "tar" roads we have here in the Hunter Valley i do day rides up to 500kms .
The question i have is two up riding on a 650cc, will the bike handle it as i'm planing to have it long term.
The bike loaded up with a gear sack, rider 80kg, passanger 60kg ?
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Oh gad, another comparison thread! Just buy one, they both do the job! :mrgreen:
 

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I've just got a new 1000. They weigh about the same as a wee. The suspension is more road oriented and may soften up after a few trips. You definitely won't bottom out on it. I also have a gsx1400 and find the V to be a more comfortable ride over country roads. I used to use the 14 for touring, it's now my around town bike. If it's a cash to spend issue, get the wee, they are going cheap at present as everybody is buying the 1000.[/I]
 

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...you'll end up buying one and always wonder if the grass is greener on the other side.
Every car I've ever purchased that had the option of engine sizes, I went with the smaller one because it was more practical. I think my desire for a 1000 is because this is one instance where I can go big and not feel guilty about it.
 

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Every car I've ever purchased that had the option of engine sizes, I went with the smaller one because it was more practical. I think my desire for a 1000 is because this is one instance where I can go big and not feel guilty about it.
Just do it, you can always take a wee as a trade if you decide you want it, but you'll never do a deal the other way. and not lose big time...
 

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After driving the new 1000, compared to my 04 -650. Hands down the new 1000, powerful agile and would do everything my wee would do and more
 
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