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Sure sure I know all the debates over synthetic oils but I don't recall seeing the answer to this question - although I am still looking.

I'm coming up on my first service on the DL 650 and know that the dealer usually changes the oil at this time and does some other adjustments and checks. I am using Mobile 1 in my Dodge truck and have for as long as I can remember but should I be using a synthetic oil in the 650 this soon?

Yes I'll stick to Motorcycle specific synthetics - for now at least.

Thought I remembered reading somewhere that it's best to wait for the next service interval to use the synthetics but I thought I'd ask once again as I continue to skim through the archives.

So what say you about synthetics used this early in this motorcycle?
 

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It's way too early.
Most people wait a few thousand miles before they put it in.
Engine parts must be given a chance to wear themselves in.
 
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Re: 600 mile service on DL650 should I not use Synthetic oil

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So what say you about synthetics used this early in this motorcycle?
Don't do it. 80% of your break-in is done, but the remaining 20% will take longer. Synthetic oil would interfere with the remaining break-in process. Switch over to synthetic at the 4000 mile service.
 
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Great. A definitive ansswer. Thanks.

Now to beat a dead horse once again - sorry.

I think I'll stick with the Suzuki oil and filter for now. But is there a prefered place online to buy it? My dealer was quoting me a service fee of somewhere in the neighborhood of $300 for this first service so I need to save some money somewhere.
 
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Re: Great. A definitive ansswer. Thanks.

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I think I'll stick with the Suzuki oil and filter for now. But is there a prefered place online to buy it? My dealer was quoting me a service fee of somewhere in the neighborhood of $300 for this first service so I need to save some money somewhere.
Your dealer quote is higher by at least $100 than many dealers. Ask them to itemize what they are going to do and go over it with them. They will have trouble justifying that charge. If they are unwilling to do that, look for another dealer or a good independent motorcycle mechanic.

Bringing your own oil to the party is not going to reduce your costs significantly (unless your intention is to do the service yourself). They are overcharging on labor - and they'll likely bump that up a little more to compensate for what they are losing on the sale of oil.

Ron Ayers is a good online source for oil and parts. Good prices - I've used them many times. The Honda GN4 is a good oil.
https://www.ronayers.com/chemicals/phchem_main.cfm
 
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What exactly should be done on this first service anyway? I mean if they're charging me high labor fees for the guy to check the air in my tires ....
And I will shop around once I find out what all is actually needed for the first service.
 
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StromSteve,

The 600 mile check just seems to be a way for a dealer to make some easy money.

It essentially involves an oil change, checking the torque on selected nuts, and adjusting brake and clutch cables if needed.

It is not rocket science and if I can learn to do such things, anyone can. The biggest thing is knowing what torque setting applies to which nut. I've seen some listings online that weren't too complete. That's why I invested in a service manual. Kind of pricey but very nice and confidence inspiring to have around.

After a lot of research I went with Shell Rotella T 15-40. Others may choose something different, but to each his own. Wal-Mart is a great place to get many different types of oil cheap.

Don't be intimidated just because you haven't done something yet. Half the fun is learning how and doing something for the first time. And that includes throttle body syncs - which aren't part of the 600 mile check.
 

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It's pretty easy to do your own basic service check ups and maintenance, even if you aren't a great mechanic. You might have to invest in some tools too. At least for the DL1000 the steps are all outlined in the owner's manual. Not only that, you'll probably do a better job than most mechanics for this straightforward stuff. It's your bike, so you will take care to get things exactly right, whereas for most mechanics this basic service stuff is boring and they are under time pressure to do it right. The first time might take you a bit long, but once you get the hang of the steps it goes pretty quick. The most troublesome part (at least on the 1000) is checking the front spark plug, just because the thing is so hard to get at.

There's also a certain satisfaction in doing it yourself, and I think it ultimately makes you a better rider too because you become much more familiar with all your bike's little quirks.

For the more advanced mechanical work, it is better to use a mechanic unless you are very certain of your skills, and especially the electronic stuff can involve diagnostic tools you may not wish to buy.

Bob
 
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StromSteve said:
What exactly should be done on this first service anyway?
There is a table in your owner's manual that shows you what should be done at each service interval. I always refer to it before having a service done. Bear in mind that what should be done, and what is actually done by a dealer mechanic, can be two different things. Very few, if any, of them will actually check all the bolts and fasteners on the bike, although that may be listed. But an unscrupulous shop will charge the labor rate for doing everything even if it is not done. There are far too many dealer shops that are dishonest when it comes to service.

I had my Kawasaki Concours serviced by an independent mechanic. He had a shop a few miles from my house and specialized in Gold Wing service, but he would service other bikes if you could provide him with the service manual. I saved a bunch of money by using him over the 6 years I owned that bike, and he always did good work. Unfortunately, I've moved halfway across the country now. If you can find somebody like that, it can be a good option.
 

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I didn't switch to synthetics until the next service (4000 miles?) after the 600 mile to be sure the rings were seated. Once you do, you will notice a difference in the shifting-it will be smoother.
 
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Wow, thanks.

I'll consult the M.O.M. then take a close look at the bike and see just how much there is to it. That technical service manual, is it anything like the Chilton and Haynes manuals I have for cars? Similar? Where do I get one for the wee-Strom?

Heck if I can already change oil, plugs, service brakes, swap water/pwr steering pumps, and the like on cars then this can't be that bad.

Wish me luck and thank you for the encouragement.
 
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Huh?

Ok, I should have done this in the first place, I know. I know.

I decided to call the service department to ask what they actually do on this first service and ask why they want so much money, right.

Well I got to speak to the Service Manager, and he didn't treat me as a newbie idiot for one and then said that this first service is right at $100 for everything. Huh? I told him what I was told when the bike was sold to me and he then said that they just got the finance guy in some guys from another non-Suzuki delaership and the quote of $300 + was incorrect. Cool.

I told him I was a complete newbie and thought I'd push my luck by asking if I can watch the service being done so I can feel more comfortable when I do the next one myself. He said absolutely I could.

The Service Manager was very patient and didn't try to hurry our conversation or make me feel as though I was asking stupid questions and wasting his time.

He did mention that when it comes time to do the valve adjustments that that service will be a bit more pricey but said that I could come back and watch that one too if I wanted.

Huh. Well. Ok.
 
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Sounds like you may have a dealer w/a decent svc dept there. Time will tell. Good luck.
 
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