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I have a 2013 DL650A FARKLed I really love with 11k miles. I have the opportunity to pick up a new 2014 DL1000 red (favorite color - lol) up that is a previous year leftover at a very low price which is how I got my 650 at the same place.

For you guys that have owned both - is it worth it and why? They also have one 2015 sitting there. None are the Adventure model. I can hang on to the 650 per wife or is that a waste? I ride 95/5 paved/unpaved. A lot of Ozark riding and some well groomed fire roads. I have test ridden the 1000 but just not enough miles for a good comparison. I read a few threads on this but still not decided.

Any issues with the 2014s or 2015s?
 

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The 2014 you are looking at will have had the recall performed already, so that won't be an issue. It may still have the old ECU in it though, which you may find causes the bike to stall sometimes, you could make that a condition of sale that if there are any issues with stalling, the dealer will swap it out. Make sure you get that in writing.

Other than that, it's a fantastic bike, light and fun to ride, but you have to decide if it is better than what you have currently.

Keep both bikes for a while and decide maybe?
 

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I wasn't very happy with my 2014.

1. Rear rack on them had no clear coat so the paint peels off and looks awful. They will repair this under the 1st year warranty.
2. The quality of the paint on the entire bike is subpar. I had issues with the paint on the frame and gas tank. The gas tank was scratched very badly after about 1500km. They wouldn't repair it and blamed it on my riding pants. I put 40k on my 650 with those riding pants and never put a mark on the tank.
3. The front sprocket area is not designed very well so crud builds up and you will have issues with the clutch push rod as a result. You must take this apart and clean it and it can be a chore that becomes a nightmare if you make a mistake and dump out the clutch fluid.
4. transmission is clunky
5. build quality is subpar
6. insurance is a lot more
7. it's harder on gas AND takes premium.

For the good
1. the engine is amazing, instant passing power
2. the suspension is a big upgrade over the 650
3. 2 up, the 650 feels cramped and the poor suspension is even more obvious. THe 1000 was a joy to ride 2 up, I really miss it for that and i'm not sure how long i'll have the 650 now because of my wife wanting to ride 2 up more often.

I had a 650, went ot the 1000 then to a Concours 14 then back to a 650. I prefer the 650 for riding by myself. It feels a lot lighter, more nimble and has more power then I use on a regular basis. On a trip the extra MPG and lower price of fuel helps to keep costs down.

Neither bike is perfect, but i've learned the 650 cannot do what the 1000 can do (2 up riding comfortably) so I probably should have kept the 1000 and just paid the extra insurance (about $50 a month more in Canada) and fuel costs. If I was going on a trip or ride by myself though, i'd prefer the 650 to the 1000.
 

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Thanks we wrote this up for me!

The 2014 you are looking at will have had the recall performed already, so that won't be an issue. It may still have the old ECU in it though, which you may find causes the bike to stall sometimes, you could make that a condition of sale that if there are any issues with stalling, the dealer will swap it out. Make sure you get that in writing.

Other than that, it's a fantastic bike, light and fun to ride, but you have to decide if it is better than what you have currently.

Keep both bikes for a while and decide maybe?
 

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I rode them back to back several times now and since my 650 in an Adventure it actually felt a bit heavier and especially top heavy. Brakes, suspension, and acceleration were of course better on the 1000. Seating position was better stock for me on the 1000 but the 650 now has a TA. I don't ride too far so mileage or gas is a non-issue (more of an issue on my truck lol).

Just checked and insurance is very little difference here.

I wasn't very happy with my 2014.

1. Rear rack on them had no clear coat so the paint peels off and looks awful. They will repair this under the 1st year warranty.
2. The quality of the paint on the entire bike is subpar. I had issues with the paint on the frame and gas tank. The gas tank was scratched very badly after about 1500km. They wouldn't repair it and blamed it on my riding pants. I put 40k on my 650 with those riding pants and never put a mark on the tank.
3. The front sprocket area is not designed very well so crud builds up and you will have issues with the clutch push rod as a result. You must take this apart and clean it and it can be a chore that becomes a nightmare if you make a mistake and dump out the clutch fluid.
4. transmission is clunky
5. build quality is subpar
6. insurance is a lot more
7. it's harder on gas AND takes premium.

For the good
1. the engine is amazing, instant passing power
2. the suspension is a big upgrade over the 650
3. 2 up, the 650 feels cramped and the poor suspension is even more obvious. THe 1000 was a joy to ride 2 up, I really miss it for that and i'm not sure how long i'll have the 650 now because of my wife wanting to ride 2 up more often.

I had a 650, went ot the 1000 then to a Concours 14 then back to a 650. I prefer the 650 for riding by myself. It feels a lot lighter, more nimble and has more power then I use on a regular basis. On a trip the extra MPG and lower price of fuel helps to keep costs down.

Neither bike is perfect, but i've learned the 650 cannot do what the 1000 can do (2 up riding comfortably) so I probably should have kept the 1000 and just paid the extra insurance (about $50 a month more in Canada) and fuel costs. If I was going on a trip or ride by myself though, i'd prefer the 650 to the 1000.
 

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On the tranny I found the shifting better on the 1000 - especially from 1st to 2nd where the 650 required a bit more effort or can miss.

When I walked out of there I wondered if a could have gotten them down a few hundred more? lol
 

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On the tranny I found the shifting better on the 1000 - especially from 1st to 2nd where the 650 required a bit more effort or can miss.

When I walked out of there I wondered if a could have gotten them down a few hundred more? lol
the clunkiness and idle hammer don't seem to start until after the first oil change.
 

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I rode them back to back several times now and since my 650 in an Adventure it actually felt a bit heavier and especially top heavy. Brakes, suspension, and acceleration were of course better on the 1000. Seating position was better stock for me on the 1000 but the 650 now has a TA. I don't ride too far so mileage or gas is a non-issue (more of an issue on my truck lol).

Just checked and insurance is very little difference here.
Surprised you found the 650 heavier, mine is the adventure as well.

What's the TA you have on the 650?

In Canada we get screwed on insurance so it is a big issue for us when comparing bikes! I was paying around 100 a month I believe on the Vstrom 1000.

I put about 20k a year on so the mileage certainly added up along with the premium but again we get screwed on gas prices, it's right around 4 bucks a gallon here right now.

I do miss the 1000 for 2 up riding!
 

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Terry Adcox seat. I may need one on the 1000 eventually.

Noisier than the 650? It definitely is quieter than mine right now.

$4 a gallon sux. We nearly got about to that once a few years back.
 

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SECoda, what did you write on the contract with the dealer regarding the ECU?

You stole the bike! My local dealer won't budget below $9500 for a non-ADV model....
 

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Nothing on the contract. Just a note that they would fix it if it has the ECU/stalling issue a few have had.

$9500? Do they sell many? The small dealers operate differently than these guys who do very high volume. I have two small Suzuki dealers closer and they can't touch Big but especially on dumping previous years models. I think the smaller dealers often auction ones they can't sell off.
 

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The gronky shifting and idle hammer have to do with the tune of the engine. Mine shifts like butter now and idles smoothly after installing a Heal Tech X-Tre box. I also have a Yosh can & a Holeshot fueling module. Really like a different motorcycle now. Free reving & pulls strong off idle. Vastly improved low speed response.
 

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Interesting. I looked that X-Tre box before. Do all the 2014s do it (or is it all of the 2014-2016s?) or just some?
 

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Interesting. I looked that X-Tre box before. Do all the 2014s do it (or is it all of the 2014-2016s?) or just some?
Can't say what others have experienced. But retarding the ignition in the first three gears is in no way beneficial imho. I also put in one of their exhaust valve servo disablers even though I am not running the arrow header. The valve is always open with it. I think anyone running a stock 2014+ would find my bike a revelation.
 

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Can't say what others have experienced. But retarding the ignition in the first three gears is in no way beneficial imho. I also put in one of their exhaust valve servo disablers even though I am not running the arrow header. The valve is always open with it. I think anyone running a stock 2014+ would find my bike a revelation.
How much of this improvement was from the X-tre vs the other stuff you put on?
 

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The gronky shifting and idle hammer have to do with the tune of the engine. Mine shifts like butter now and idles smoothly after installing a Heal Tech X-Tre box. I also have a Yosh can & a Holeshot fueling module. Really like a different motorcycle now. Free reving & pulls strong off idle. Vastly improved low speed response.
So, you say that the Heal Tech X-Tre box will cure the IDLE HAMMER problem? That would interest me. I have two 2014 DL1000s. Both have the IDLE HAMMER. One isn't too bad and I can live with it. However the other one is horrible and drives me nuts. I've had the dealer work it over and re-sink the throttle bodies. Didn't help much. Let me know if the Heal Tech X-Tre box is a real deal fix and I'll try it.
 

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So, you say that the Heal Tech X-Tre box will cure the IDLE HAMMER problem? That would interest me. I have two 2014 DL1000s. Both have the IDLE HAMMER. One isn't too bad and I can live with it. However the other one is horrible and drives me nuts. I've had the dealer work it over and re-sink the throttle bodies. Didn't help much. Let me know if the Heal Tech X-Tre box is a real deal fix and I'll try it.
1. I installed The Yosh pipe first. Reved more freely and some improvement in low speed throttle response (lstr).

2. Holeshot EFI Supertune Pro with K&N filter and airbox mods. Much freer reving. Really strong mid range. More improvement in the lstr.

3. Healtech X-tre box and servo eliminator. Lstr no longer an issue. Idles smoothly.

Were I to do it again I would have started with items 3 and 1 and then moved on to 2 if I thought the fueling needed improvement or I wanted a performance increase.
I believe the Yosh pipe caused the O2 sensors to richen the fueling up some which helped.
 

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Well my dealer will do whatever it takes to fix it IF it has an issue with the ECU and I have no doubt they will since I got my 650 from them as well several years ago. They called on the ECU problem mentioned and Suzuki had them run some test(s) which it passed but they said I really need to get some miles on it to make sure there is no stalling problem. I am not too concerned about it at this point. They went as far to say they would come pick it up if it is having a problem and fix and/or replace whatever was needed. It was manufactured late in 2014 for what that is worth. They said it was one of the last 2014s to come in the door.
 
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