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I have owned 2 DL1K's in the past. I enjoyed them a great deal, wonderfully versatile fun machines. To my eyes, the new model looks great and seems to offer a whole lot of bike for the $$.:thumbup:

The reviews from the members are certainly positive, and the moto journalists all seem to really like the bike as well. The only thing that the pros seem to think that the bike lacks is a properly exciting power plant. Now, I am afflicted with the lust for big, stupid wheelie cracking power in my bikes. It is a silly thing, but it is just how I am. I often wish that it wasn't...:confused:

Regarding the new bikes motor, I am inclined to think that there is a significant amount of HP to be gained by some well chosen mods for the bike. I honestly have no particular knowledge of its design that would lead me to think this way, but it is just a feeling. I think that Suzuki has it tuned for long life and not for explosive power. My query for you all, who I am sure know far more than myself regarding these matters is; Do you think that the bike can be modded and tuned to make significantly more punch? Like, more punch than similar sized motors when applying standard modifications? I just have a hunch that this bike is going be able to be woken up very, very well.:yikes:

I realize that this is a somewhat odd question, with blurry clarifications. And, dont bother with the "it's got more power than you'd ever need on the street" thing. Anything approaching 100 HP is capable of all sorts of bally-hoo.:green_lol: I am a responsible rider who has a terrible record, but no crashes in 30 years of riding on the street. When the opportunity presents itself I love an explosive, somewhat terrifying bike. Thank you in advance for your input, sirs!:biggrinjester:
 

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First let me say that you are right, it was built for longevity (same as Toyota's) so HP is reduced. Having said that, unless you want to spend big bucks to achieve a significant HP, the standard exhaust/PC/ TRE will only extract a 5-7% gain. So, have the engine stripped down, blueprinted, welded rods, race cams, modified fuel system and airbox with new exhaust, all by a professional engine tuner (not some back street wannabe). I have also seen a company in the UK (UK Ebay site) that makes small bolt on superchargers for @$5k, again, you will only gain upto 50% HP, no small feat, but enough nads to pull the front end up in all gears up to 5th.
 

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But you will have spent more money overall than a KTM1190.
And you will have to wait with no bike while the work is happening.
I am trying to convince myself that I need more power,(there is a little boy in there goading me on) but I have had such a good run with my DL that it will be hard to buy elsewhere. I like to think the new DL can find a little increase somewhere.
 

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But you will have spent more money overall than a KTM1190.
And you will have to wait with no bike while the work is happening.
I am trying to convince myself that I need more power,(there is a little boy in there goading me on) but I have had such a good run with my DL that it will be hard to buy elsewhere. I like to think the new DL can find a little increase somewhere.
I agree, KTM 1190 is the way forward if you crave a hooligan bike :thumbup:
 

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suzuki took this basic motor design up to around 120-125 hp in the TLR 1000 and it is a wheel lifting beast in that platform but that is an edgy touchy bike to ride smoothly and would be a nightmare to live with every day in your DL
 

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You could always try a nitrous kit - much cheaper than a full rebuild and tune. (If anyone thinks I'm not joking,,,,,,,).
 

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suzuki took this basic motor design up to around 120-125 hp in the TLR 1000 and it is a wheel lifting beast in that platform but that is an edgy touchy bike to ride smoothly and would be a nightmare to live with every day in your DL
Exactly.......and I have ridden a 150 HP Multistrada, and I can assure everyone that it has way too much HP for the type of bike it is. The engine is not smooth, and the HP it makes is so overkill it is ridiculous. Now the power wheelies were fun at times don't get me wrong, but for the overall package it is simply too much and makes no sense. Same can be said for the new KTM, and rest assured neither bike will last as long as the Strom and will also be in and out of the service department much more often as well. We live in a world full of excess "especially America", and both the KTM and the Ducati were made for bragging rights just because they can do it, does not mean it was an overall great idea. ;) The new Vee2 has a better power delivery and smoother engine than the original, to me that is about perfect for what I need and want. Coming from a 150 hp Concours 14, I find the old 1000 lacking nothing when I whack that throttle.
 

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I agree with BigB :yikes:, just look at BMW GS's, if anyone can up the HP output of a bike they can, they didn't! Because you can does not mean you should.
 

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I agree with BigB :yikes:, just look at BMW GS's, if anyone can up the HP output of a bike they can, they didn't! Because you can does not mean you should.
They did up the HP and torque for the latest GS, and the improvements are said to be pretty much motorcycling perfection. The GS is plenty quick and fast, matter of fact it gives up very little if any to the Ducati and the KTM.
 

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Thank you in advance for your input, sirs! :biggrinjester:
Feel your pain :thumbup:. Don't know about the new gen but swap the gearing an 06 (Vee) and that front wheel pops right up if you are so inclined. You can also lose your license on a first offence in this state. :jawdrop:
 

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Why don't you ride it first, then see if you need/want more HP?
 

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never enough hp...

Reading bike reviews, for years, all you hear is that it needed more horse power. I am sure if the new 1000 had 132 hp it still would NOT be enough. I remember when a Triumph 500 was "the real deal." Now it is considered, by most, to be a good starter bike.
 

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Reading bike reviews, for years, all you hear is that it needed more horse power. I am sure if the new 1000 had 132 hp it still would NOT be enough. I remember when a Triumph 500 was "the real deal." Now it is considered, by most, to be a good starter bike.
I find that many who always want more HP, are those that do not ride much to begin with.
 

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They did up the HP and torque for the latest GS, and the improvements are said to be pretty much motorcycling perfection. The GS is plenty quick and fast, matter of fact it gives up very little if any to the Ducati and the KTM.
Yes, but only marginally from the previous model, not anywhere near the 150 of the KTM and Duke that are lighter............. He should just get a Vmax 1700 and be done with it :thumbup:
 

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KTM wisely has an enduro mode that kills 50hp. So off road the KTM in enduro mode makes a little more that the stock Vee. I would be LYING if I told you that I wouldn't mind a switch on my Vee that gave me 50 more ponies at will. But then there is insurance rates , licence revokes , jail time and the sort that I'm not dealing with because I don't have it.:mrgreen:
 

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I find that many who always want more HP, are those that do not ride much to begin with.
I often hesitate to ask questions in forums because if the majority of the readers don't agree with a particular perspective, they'll talk down to you.:confused:

I ride year round. I have owned nearly 30 bikes, and I haven't had one under 900cc's for the last 15 years. I like a stupid fast bike. Is that stupid? Probably...

The Multistrada is actually perfect for me, but I am DONE with Italian motorcycle ownership. I have 2 German cars that are both at nearly 450whp, I spend enough on them, I want a dependable Japanese bike that I can enjoy, and not spend my time replacing expensive parts. As I said before, I love the Strom for its versatility, it is a hell of a lot of motorcycle for the $$$. I guess that I was worried about the multiple reviewers saying they found the motor to be underwhelming. For me, that is a very big issue. I am a motor guy. A big stupid motor guy. Most folks will find it more than ample, and I think that's great.

I should ride it and see. But I just figured that I'd ask and see if it seems like there's a lot of power to be had by simple mods, like the Ninja1000/Z1000 motor. I don't know a whole lot about this new motor.


Thank you for the feedback, gentlemen.:mrgreen:
 

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The new motor is a fresher version of the old motor. It's a twin , so the power isn't like sport/super sport bikes. And if history is any indication , there isn't a whole lot of "untapped" power hiding in these motors. Yes , your best bet would be to get a little seat time on one , to see if it was something you would like.:mrgreen:
 

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The new motor is a fresher version of the old motor. It's a twin , so the power isn't like sport/super sport bikes. And if history is any indication , there isn't a whole lot of "untapped" power hiding in these motors. Yes , your best bet would be to get a little seat time on one , to see if it was something you would like.:mrgreen:
Thank you, sir. I have had a good many strong Vtwins over the years. I have had every configuration out there, and I have decided that I definately prefer a V2 over anything else. A well modded triple isn't far behind though...:mrgreen:
Out of all the bikes I've been with, my old Speed Triple is the one that I still dream about.:headbang:
 

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In my opinion, Beartooth should have the right to ask a legitimate question with out him feeling he's being talked down to. He admits he has a lust for big, stupid, wheelie cracking power and again says he likes stupid fast bikes and admits that's probably stupid. Most of us don't need that, but he wants it and enjoys it. I also agree with some of the comments that we live in a world full of excess and more HP is never enough for some. I've been riding for over 40 years and I remember when a 750 cc was considered a "Big Bike" and all that was needed. I've had a Vee2 adventure for about 1 week now, and for my riding style it's more than enough power and lacks nothing when I twist the throttle. I actually prefer it's power band over the 1190 KTM because I enjoy being able to go through the gears without reaching ridiculous mph speeds. I came close to buying an older DL 1000 a couple of times but never could pull the trigger. Instead the last two bikes I went with, were a Moto Guzzi Stelvio and a 1050 Triumph Tiger. I prefer V-Twins and what made the difference for me is the current engine. Dropping the peak power from 6500 to 4000 RPM was key for my riding style. I love having that power on tap at 4,000 RPM when just riding normally without constantly having to wind out the engine to high RPM's. I don't need more HP, but would also be interested in hearing from other riders if some sort of simple mods, like air intake or new exhaust system would allow it to breath better and be less restricted while giving it a few more ponies.
 
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