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Discussion starter · #41 · (Edited)
Oldturtle

Starting this thread, I wrote:

"If you tour, and especially if you head off the asphalt or concrete onto steep, bumpy, or rutted roads--or all of those--the problem with the stock 17/41 sprocket setup becomes quickly evident. If you have a heavy load on the bike, it's even more evident, and more irritating."

For the purposes set forth above, I stand by 16/43 as optimum.
 
Discussion starter · #42 ·
''16/43 sprockets optimum for DL1000''

No set of sprockets can possibly be optimum for the DL1000. Various final drive ratios can be close to optimum for a particular rider and on a particular route. Every final drive ratio is a compromise between various priorities.
Starting this thread, I wrote:

"If you tour, and especially if you head off the asphalt or concrete onto steep, bumpy, or rutted roads--or all of those--the problem with the stock 17/41 sprocket setup becomes quickly evident. If you have a heavy load on the bike, it's even more evident, and more irritating."

For the purposes set forth above, I stand by 16/43 as optimum.
 
Add me to the list of believers...
I've done this mod, plus many other mods, and this one mod, for sure, woke the bike up.
I'm from flatland, mostly, with a decent smattering of curves here and there, with 70 MPH interstate mixed in here and there.
For my needs, this thing has exceeded my expectations.
I recently had the opportunity to rail it in the Ozarks, and OMG, is this thing an animal!
From 1500 rpm on up, no matter the incline, nor almost any gear, from 1500 rpm on up, it just goes like nothing to it.
This is, by far, the best bike I've ever ridden.
 
Gentlemen, are you running the stock 112 links on your 16/43 combos? Everything I read and study from the gearing commander site and other subject matter experts is that a 16 tooth sprocket on a 112 link chain is very bad for chain / sprocket longevity. After all my research, I went with the 17/43 combo and am happy with how it behaves with that...especially in the 25-35 mph range. Luckily my chain had about 1600 miles on it when I changed over from stock, otherwise 112 links would not have fit. I am curious what kind of real world chain and sprocket life are you guys getting and did you go down to 110 or up to 114 to get away from the dead even / non-hunting ratio??
 
Gentlemen, are you running the stock 112 links on your 16/43 combos? Everything I read and study from the gearing commander site and other subject matter experts is that a 16 tooth sprocket on a 112 link chain is very bad for chain / sprocket longevity. After all my research, I went with the 17/43 combo and am happy with how it behaves with that...especially in the 25-35 mph range. Luckily my chain had about 1600 miles on it when I changed over from stock, otherwise 112 links would not have fit. I am curious what kind of real world chain and sprocket life are you guys getting and did you go down to 110 or up to 114 to get away from the dead even / non-hunting ratio??
So, the reason that the Egg-spurts don't like a 16 (even) tooth sprocket is because with a 112 link chain (or any even number of links) the same teeth of the sprocket will touch only the same links of the chain. They (the egg-spurts) feel this will cause a chain to wear more in one way than another.


Who cares? Just run the chain and replace it and the sprockets when they wear out. Try aligning your drive-train and you'll get more benefit than selecting odd numbers of teeth/links. Selectng the right gear ratio is of more importance than how long your "chain" lasts
 
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stock chain and 17/45 sprocket setup

The bikes do vary in both dimensions and symmetry -- as I found out when installing a Scott's steering stabilizer -- but most new bike will apparently accept a 16/43 sprocket setup without changing the OEM chain. My bike, with about 675 miles when I made the switch,took the new sprockets with no problem.

Some people are worried about increased wear on a smaller (16 tooth) sprocket and increased wear on the swingarm protector. I have no idea about these two things long-term, but when this chain wears out (maybe before) I'm going to a 17/45 sprocket setup. the ratio is virtually identical to 16/43, but there will be no question about premature wear on the swingarm protector or the front sprocket.

Also considering going to a 530 chain for increased chain life when I make the sprocket switch. Just cuz.
 
ok ok, I will bite...gonna try the 16/43 since i need new chain and sprockets anyway.

16/43 with a 112 link 525 chain. sounds right?

so, i dont care about the speedo, i use my gps anyway. But reading all these threads has me confused. Will the 16/43 make my odometer show more mileage than actually travelled or less?

If I rode 100 miles (actual) what will the odometer be showing with the 16/43 gearing?

What is the fix...or are yall just leaving it.
 
I just performed a chain and sprocket replacement on my 2006 V this month. It had the 16/43 combo using a 525 chain. The previous owner, however, used an aftermarket 520 countershaft sprocket and an aluminum 525 rear sprocket along with a good x-ring chain. They were all dusted in a few thousand miles. He also installed the RR wheel spacer kit but put the outer spacer between the caliper carrier and the swingarm on the right side, rather than in the proper location on the left.

The bike shifted horribly and made a ton of chain noise. I had the bike up for sale and actually went so far that I almost had two trades lined up for it. In the end, though, I wanted to keep the bike and make it work, so I decided to invest some $$ into it and correct as many of the things that bugged me as I could.

I got an SV1000 17 tooth countershaft (OE with damper ring in 530), a steel 45-530 rear sprocket and a 530 o-ring chain (114 links). This combo performs identical to the 16/43 at all speeds. Between the new chain, sprockets, 530 chain and correct rear sprocket spacing, the bike feels like a different bike. The shifting is smooth and tight and I have minimal chain noise. This combo is great for all situations, including highway riding and I would never go back to 17/41 or 16/43.

There may or may not be validity to the hunting tooth principle as it relates to our bikes, but I feel better with a larger front sprocket that happens to be odd numbered and prime, and this is the combo I will stay with.
 
The bikes do vary in both dimensions and symmetry -- as I found out when installing a Scott's steering stabilizer -- but most new bike will apparently accept a 16/43 sprocket setup without changing the OEM chain. My bike, with about 675 miles when I made the switch,took the new sprockets with no problem.

Some people are worried about increased wear on a smaller (16 tooth) sprocket and increased wear on the swingarm protector. I have no idea about these two things long-term, but when this chain wears out (maybe before) I'm going to a 17/45 sprocket setup. the ratio is virtually identical to 16/43, but there will be no question about premature wear on the swingarm protector or the front sprocket.

Also considering going to a 530 chain for increased chain life when I make the sprocket switch. Just cuz.
I have it in the 525. I thing for riding around town it is great. Offroad it would be great as well. But on the highway, it really robs from the high end of the bike. I don't like turning 5K+ when I want to do 80mph. It really kills the fuel mileage.
 
I just made the switch

I always found the Vee's gearing too high for my riding style, I'm not worried about gas mileage, and I don't do a lot of highway driving. After I test rode a Multistrada 1200 this summer I got to thinking about how I could get that kind of snappy response without modding the Vee's engine. I know - change the gearing! So I installed 16/43.

First test was to find an empty road and check the response in first gear. My Vee used to lift the front wheel if I whacked the throttle open at 4000 rpm. With the 16/43 setup, I figured I'd roll-on the throttle quickly from low (2000) rpm and see how the bike responded. When I opened the throttle the front wheel immediately launched skyward, and I had to back off to keep from going right over. OH YEAH BABY!! After some experimentation I could even get air under the front wheel from 2nd gear. What a blast! The change has made the bike feel like a rocket ship! It has really changed the character of the Vee...much snappier response, and I can use ALL the gears regularly now.

For some strange reason the bike seems quieter and it just feels....happier (I know that's weird but I can't find any other way to describe it).

I guess I've got too much sport bike blood left in me...I love the new setup and won't go back.

The speedohealer is now set at minus 16% to get GPS-correct speed! The engine turns 4100 rpm at 105 km/hr (65 mph), vs. 3500 rpm originally.

Peter
 
what about odometer? i really dont care about the speed, since i use my gps anyway. what is it doing to the odometer? do you fix that? or leave it.
 
what about odometer? i really dont care about the speed, since i use my gps anyway. what is it doing to the odometer? do you fix that? or leave it.
Not sure there is a fix for the odometer. I put a speedohealer on to fix the speedo....which was off significantly @ 10%...but the odo is still off by that much. I haven't seen a solution for this since I did the swap last year.

Wayne
 
A speedo healer affects both the speedo and the odo by the same percentage. Drop the speedo reading down to be accurate and the odo will read low since they are ~8% and ~2% high in stock condition respectively.
 
A speedo healer affects both the speedo and the odo by the same percentage. Drop the speedo reading down to be accurate and the odo will read low since they are ~8% and ~2% high in stock condition respectively.
Thanks Pat...Yep you're right...guess it fixes both...my mistake.

In any event...it sure was a very easy fix...even for fixing the variance in stock form.

Wayne
 
Has anyone tried a 15 T front sprocket on the Vee?

I had just switched my Wee over to a 14 T front sprocket, which helped set up the Wee's performance to more closely fit my riding style,
which includes some serious back road riding here on scenic Vancouver Island.

But there ain't no substitute for cubic inches.

So I just switched from the Wee to a 2005 V1000 with only 15 K kms.
AND....
I happen to have a left over Wee 650 OEM rubber dampened 15T front sprocket.

1.] Will the OEM Wee 650 15T front sprocket slip on to a Vee countershaft?

2.] What bad chit might happen if I tried a 15 T front sprocket on a V1000??

Possibilities??
- Increased wear to swing arm protector??
- Increased wear to front sprocket?

PS: So far I am liking my V1000 A LOT!!!!!!!!!!!
It came with a couple of grand worth of extras [ Akrapovic exhaust, Power Commander, Givi rack side bags, crash bars, and windshield, ETC. ],
BUT,
it also came with the notorious CHUDDER!!!

TTFN
thanks in advance,
LAZ 1
 
Question for those whose Vee's love rocketing the front wheel skyward- how much do you guys weigh? Sitting at 280, I can't get the front tire up almost at all in first gear, let alone the second gear some people are claiming. I suppose I could with some clutch slip, but I don't want to do that. Bike has a TRE and HAD a PCIII, running with 16/43. Possibly has been yosh'd, but I have no way of knowing.

Is my fat butt the reason for the horizontal loving tendencies of the bike?
 
Question for those whose Vee's love rocketing the front wheel skyward- how much do you guys weigh? Sitting at 280, I can't get the front tire up almost at all in first gear, let alone the second gear some people are claiming. I suppose I could with some clutch slip, but I don't want to do that. Bike has a TRE and HAD a PCIII, running with 16/43. Possibly has been yosh'd, but I have no way of knowing.

Is my fat butt the reason for the horizontal loving tendencies of the bike?
I'm at 5'11" and 180 with 16/43 gearing and my Vee won't "launch skyward" either. I see you're in Idaho and I'm in Colorado. I'll wager the difference is riding at an altitude somewhat greater than sea level. In Alaska I noticed a big difference in the way the bike felt and could see how it might perform a power wheelie. In fact, I even tried it but I was laden for a 2 week trip. And, FWIW, I just put the 16/43 gearing on mine and honestly, the jury is still out. I admit it seems a little quicker but personally I'm not sure I like the higher revs that come with it. I'm going to withhold judgment until I can test it in full trip mode... Oh, yea, last thing, with the new gearing, the difference between my speedo and GPS is really close to 20%!
 
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