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post #1 of 24 Old 03-18-2013, 05:38 PM Thread Starter
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why does a relay setups cost $40?

i bought a 40a relay off the great electronic superstore called "China". It cost me like $6. i don't mean the whole wiring harness, just the relay, something like this:

I don't know where to go to get "quality" wire or ring terminals, but I'm assuming these can't be very expensive. any DIY hobbyists want to point me towards some resources? I can handle a bit of soldering and unless I'm missing something I don't see why I shouldn't be able to make this on my own. Am I wrong?


Some things I found but want to see if I can avoid paying for:

someone's relay "for centech ap-2" on ebay

Eastern Beaver relay stuff

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or ya coulda gone to your local radio shack $5.99

hahah thanks, i'm obviously new to this.

how about help with the rest of it? nice wires, some ring terminals, and a schematic to follow so i can make my own fusepanel wiring kits?

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If not for it's 500 lb. weight, limited ground clearance, spindly handlebars, close fender fit, short suspention travel, exposed oil filter and forward weigh bias, it would make a great dirt bike.
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Auto stores and Radio Shack sell wire connectors. Check "Electronics stores"?
You can get the Bayonet style connector to fit over the pins on the relay and build your own loom.
Buying rolls of wire of different colors can get pricey. You may get some ribbon wire you can separate out.
Schematic would depend on how many lines you need. It could vary greatly.

When you spend a few hours sorting out what you need and go shopping for all the parts and then assemble it, $40 may not look so bad.
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You're paying someone else $40 because they have done the research, bought the wire, bought the connectors, pins, cable ties, shrinkwrap, and tooling to create the high quality cable assemblies you're looking for.

If your time is worth less than $40 to create something like Eastern Beaver manufacturers, then have at it. I bill my time at a much higher rate than that, and consider what Jim sells to be high value at a very reasonable price. He does the engineering for you, so you don't have to go in cutting and splicing wires if you don't want to do it that way.

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I'm going with Eastern Beaver this time around. However, on my last bike I built my wiring harness with a relay. I found it to be fun as I like working on things.

I used something like this:
Mini-ATM Fuse Block 20108MT - 8-Slot : Amazon.com : Automotive

and this:
Amico 600V 45A Double Row 4 Position Terminal Barrier Blocks Connector TB-4504L - Amazon.com

If you are going to DIY, I highly recommend using this:
Sleeving, 2 In Flat Filament, 5 Ft - Amazon.com

That is just a picture. You should be able to find this locally and in many different sizes. This stuff is tough and is better than OEM style electrical tape wrapped wiring harnesses. What I did on my last bike was run my wires though the nylon braiding and then I used heat shrink around the braiding to the wiring at or near the end connector.

I hope this helps...

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thanks for the responses.

i guess i should have included a bit more at the beginning of this. to be clear, i'm not questioning the value of jim's products. i get why his are worth $40, i think mostly i'm curious that i don't see analogous items (probably of lesser quality) ready-made on ebay and such.

it's looking more likely that i'll buy one of jim's kits in part because i don't know what i'm doing and then maybe buy some wire and connectors when i have more time to play and try figuring this stuff out on my own. heck, i could probably resell his after if i can replicate it once i own one.

"When you spend a few hours sorting out what you need and go shopping for all the parts and then assemble it, $40 may not look so bad."
there's definitely some sense there

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Learning and researching is part of the fun for me. However, I have to admit that I was an aircraft mechanic in a former life so I know how to size wire for the load it will carry, how to size the proper relay and fuses, et al.

However, do not forget that once properly done you will have a more intimate knowledge of how it works. This means that troubleshooting will be a bit easier.

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His request for a schematic had me remembering some of the stuff we had for machines at work. The early stuff was relay logic and had ladder diagrams. As electronics got more digitized it got into page flipping to chase where the signals went.
My other bike has CanBus and it sucks for the home wiring guy. No fuses, the computer does the work of measuring current.
The electrics on the older Wee is dead simple.
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thanks for the responses.

i guess i should have included a bit more at the beginning of this. to be clear, i'm not questioning the value of jim's products. i get why his are worth $40, i think mostly i'm curious that i don't see analogous items (probably of lesser quality) ready-made on ebay and such.

it's looking more likely that i'll buy one of jim's kits in part because i don't know what i'm doing and then maybe buy some wire and connectors when i have more time to play and try figuring this stuff out on my own. heck, i could probably resell his after if i can replicate it once i own one.

"When you spend a few hours sorting out what you need and go shopping for all the parts and then assemble it, $40 may not look so bad."
there's definitely some sense there
Another similarly priced alternative is here

Motorcycle Terminals, Connectors, and Wiring Accessories

I've no experience with this vendor, appears to use the same basic components as EB, but is located in the US if that matters for you

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