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post #1 of 16 Old 05-26-2012, 11:02 PM Thread Starter
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I did a search, but didn't see a lot about the Zumo 660, so here is my experience. I bought a new Zumo 660 last year, but never got around to installing it until recently.

Installing it on the bike was the easy part, after deciding where I wanted it. I kept seeing others recommending centre high mounted above the dash. I even bought a PWD shelf with the intention of reinforcing it and mounting the GPS there, but I've been so used to having my Garmin 60Cx close to my left hand controls, I just couldn't convince myself that changing to dash mount would be good for me. I ended up using my existing bar mounted Ram ball mount and am quite happy with it there.



The wiring harness was a perfect fit for this location as well. It reached perfectly to my under seat tray mounted fuse panel, with the audio and data terminals having just enough length to lay in the tray as well. Had I mounted the Zumo up above the gauges, I doubt the harness would have reached.



Now the difficult part. I had a hard time getting it set up, it was one problem after another. First the software didn't want to load to my computer(fairly new Win7 Pro). Then I couldn't get the maps unlocked, or updated. I couldn't register, because the unit wasn't 'found' by my computer. The numbers on the registration form didn't match my unit. I never did use the long serial number for unlocking or registering my unit, so I can't quite figure that out.

After many attempts, rereading the guide, somehow I managed to get it going, but I don't know how in the end. It was very frustrating and had me really regretting this purchase. Even now, after using it for a 4 day 3000km trip, I feel that it could be so much better. I'm even thinking of running my 60Cx along beside the Zumo, and that shouldn't be.

Maybe some of the problems I am experiencing can be rectified with changes in settings, I don't know. I know I feel like this unit, that I paid close to $700.00 for by the time tax was in, should be better than it is.

My gripes:
Battery cover... Can't do anything with the battery cover open, even though it has to be open to connect the usb cable. When setting things up, had to open battery cover, connect cable, load maps etc, disconnect, replace cover, try unit. To make any changes, repeat. Seriously Garmin, give me the warning if you must, but let me keep the cover off while I check out the changes I've made. Seems like a small thing, but unless you've tried the fiddly cover, you won't appreciate this.

Bluetooth... Sometimes has great difficulty with Bluetooth connection to both my phone and my Scala. Once connected seems to work well, it's getting connected that is a problem. Sometimes it will announce 'phone has disconnected' even though I didn't have my phone paired.

Track log... The track log seems to be very limited. I got home from 3000km 4 day trip, and wanted to check back at my route, and it only saved some of the last 2 days. Maybe 1200km of the trip. Can this be changed? On the old 60Cx, could save track log daily. Can I do this on the Zumo?

edit... Looks like I can save a track log to 'archive' but I still can't see any information on how much the unit will save without doing this.

MP3 player... MP3 is pretty basic. I had a $39.00 MP3 player that does a better job in managing my MP3 files.

Traffic receiver... Traffic data can only be received with optional traffic receiver. The traffic receiver is a power cord that plugs into a cigarette lighter. This is supposed to be a unit designed for motorcycles. My $100.00 Garmin 265t I use in my truck came with the traffic receiver cord, but not with the $650.00 Zumo??? Seriously Garmin?

Also, every time you make a selection on the touch screen, it sends an audio signal to my Scala cutting out the fm radio of the Scala. So even if you just want to check the direction, or coordinates, the unit sends out a priority audio signal. Maybe I can re-prioritize?

Little thing, but I miss the little north arrow from the 60Cx. Yes, I could select direction for the data field to be shown, but I already use the changeable data fields for other info. Garmin, just put the little arrow back on the map page.

Even with the latest map updates, in the week that I've been using it, I've found many areas that are not up to date.

One last little thing Garmin. Could you put a hand strap hole and include a hand strap? I've always used the hand strap on other units as a back up security tether. I just loop it around my mirror. If the unit becomes dislodged, it won't go sliding down the highway. I had to mount a little plastic ziplock anchor and use an old camera strap. Even for hand use, a strap would be nice.



I'm still not overly impressed with it for the price, but it's not all bad. I do like the larger screen. It seems bright enough in all but extreme bright conditions. The speed warning for certain highways works well, although the red colour is difficult to see. The touch screen works well even with gloves on. I like the built in MP3 even though it could be better. I like the Bluetooth audio to my Scala for navigation instructions.

It is pretty amazing what they can stick into a small package like this, but with all the other electronics out there like smart phones and tablets, it's evident that Garmin seems to be way behind in the development end.

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IAlso, every time you make a selection on the touch screen, it sends an audio signal to my Scala cutting out the fm radio of the Scala. So even if you just want to check the direction, or coordinates, the unit sends out a priority audio signal. Maybe I can re-prioritize?...

One last little thing Garmin. Could you put a hand strap hole and include a hand strap? I've always used the hand strap on other units as a back up security tether. I just loop it around my mirror. If the unit becomes dislodged, it won't go sliding down the highway. I had to mount a little plastic ziplock anchor and use an old camera strap. Even for hand use, a strap would be nice.
You can turn off the "beep" in the Mixer iirc.

I like your idea of the hand strap, and this did concern me. When I got my 660 a couple of years ago I did manage to have it fall off the mount when riding. This only happened once (and I have probably100,000 km of riding with it since) and Garmin was very good about sending me a (rebuilt) unit to replace it free of charge.

My biggest issue is that I am a klutz and I drop the unit a lot when taking it off or putting it on the bike. I did this last week and broke it. I sent it to Quebec and wil get a rebuilt unit back next week. I do need to find some sort of case to have on it al the time for these times that I drop it.. perhaps I'l glue some foam on it. Any other suggestions?

..Tom

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I have an extra anchor and tether if you want it. The tether saved me from dropping it already.

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I have an extra anchor and tether if you want it. The tether saved me from dropping it already.
Thanks! I actualy have a bunch of those anchors.. never thought of using them on the GPS.



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Vee3 or V3 = DL1050 2020 to?

My Stroms:
2006 DL650: 202,000 km 125,500 miles, Sold
2012 DL650 139,500+ km, 86,700+ miles. Sold
2015 DL1000 New July 2015 205,000+ km, 127,000+ miles.

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I've used the unit for a few more local trips and seems to work well, but after this evening I'm back to being frustrated with this unit. You'd think for this kind of money Garmin could have a more user friendly device and software.

Spend hours plotting out a route in Mapsource.
Software crashes, so make sure to save often
Resort to breaking it into 4 sections because there is no warning when Mapsource is going to crash.
(this is a newer computer, win& Pro, lots of memory)
Seems to be no way to merge routes, or add on to existing one, or move route up route list priority
Rename each of 4 legs so I know which is which (1,2,3,4)
File
Open cover of Garmin unit, hook up to computer to transfer files
Transfer 4 files (or thought I did)
Close cover
Find out only last route file transfered
Then have to go into unit menu to import data? Tells me made on different map set? huh? Okay, if I have to.
File name not maintained??? Now named for where the first and last waypoints are.

Repeat, open cover, hook up unit... load second route
Repeat 2 more time until all 4 routes are loaded, but now have no idea which is first because it didn't maintain the file names.

What a friggin frustrating way to have to load multiple routes.

Even when plotting the routes, there seems to be no way to merge routes, add to an existing one, or move the different route information up the list in the route pane.

I do like the functionality of the unit. They have crammed a lot into a small package. Maybe I'm just tired, and frustrated after spending most of an evening doing what should have taken a couple hours at most. But seriously Garmin, please sort out the software and make it more user friendly.

Oh, and supposedly can only load the software to one computer. Even though the maps are unlocked for one unit only, I can't have the software on both my home computer and on my netbook for when I'm on the road. I haven't tried it yet, just getting the routes loaded was frustrating enough.

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Going back to the days of DEC and the PDP-9 minicomputer, tech support guys developed an acronym. RTFM, which stood for "Read The Friendly Manual."

I've had a 665 for two years after upgrading from a 550. I've had almost none of the problems you've had. The unit would shut itself off periodically, cured in an early firmware patch. I run the software on a "big" laptop with 64 bit win 7 pro, and a Netbook with Win 7 basic. All good.

My gripes:
Battery cover... Can't do anything with the battery cover open, even though it has to be open to connect the usb cable. When setting things up, had to open battery cover, connect cable, load maps etc, disconnect, replace cover, try unit. To make any changes, repeat. Seriously Garmin, give me the warning if you must, but let me keep the cover off while I check out the changes I've made. Seems like a small thing, but unless you've tried the fiddly cover, you won't appreciate this.

- If you have a Garmin charger the unit will work just as if the cover is in place.

Bluetooth... Sometimes has great difficulty with Bluetooth connection to both my phone and my Scala. Once connected seems to work well, it's getting connected that is a problem. Sometimes it will announce 'phone has disconnected' even though I didn't have my phone paired.

- If motorcycles were as reliable as Bluetooth, I'd be riding a bicycle.

Track log... The track log seems to be very limited. I got home from 3000km 4 day trip, and wanted to check back at my route, and it only saved some of the last 2 days. Maybe 1200km of the trip. Can this be changed? On the old 60Cx, could save track log daily. Can I do this on the Zumo?

edit... Looks like I can save a track log to 'archive' but I still can't see any information on how much the unit will save without doing this.

- In default mode, the track log is in "automatic" mode and saves at a variable rate designed to balance file size and accuracy. You can change that if you want. If you do, you'll find the files of a 300 mile hghway trip to be as large as if it were 300 miles of hairpins. I save my log every day on trips, up to 440 miles.

MP3 player... MP3 is pretty basic. I had a $39.00 MP3 player that does a better job in managing my MP3 files.

- YMMV. I put all the mp3 files on the memory card organized by music, podcast, etc.

Traffic receiver... Traffic data can only be received with optional traffic receiver. The traffic receiver is a power cord that plugs into a cigarette lighter. This is supposed to be a unit designed for motorcycles. My $100.00 Garmin 265t I use in my truck came with the traffic receiver cord, but not with the $650.00 Zumo??? Seriously Garmin?

- Different type of traffic data. The Nuvis use FM traffic. I've found FM traffic to be a great way to show you what traffic was like two hours ago. The receiver (which is waterproof and plugs into a small jack) on the Zumo is a full-blown Satellite radio system that will allow you to receive radio and real-time traffic and weather.

Also, every time you make a selection on the touch screen, it sends an audio signal to my Scala cutting out the fm radio of the Scala. So even if you just want to check the direction, or coordinates, the unit sends out a priority audio signal. Maybe I can re-prioritize?

- Can be disabled.

Little thing, but I miss the little north arrow from the 60Cx. Yes, I could select direction for the data field to be shown, but I already use the changeable data fields for other info. Garmin, just put the little arrow back on the map page.

- Are you using the default screen? If you switch to the "More Data View" under Tools - Settings - Map you can select four data fields for viewing. The data fields can be different depending on whether you are following a route or not.

Even with the latest map updates, in the week that I've been using it, I've found many areas that are not up to date.

- YMMV, it's pretty darned goood in Boston, even after the Big Dig. The only area I've found off is the rrouting of Route 93 in SNH, which is ongoing.

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2tall,

I have to say I am not having any of the issues you are having. Is your software installation up to date? How about the software on the Zumo?

You are probably doing this, but just to be safe: When transferring data to the ZUmo it is a good habit to eject the zumo before puling the usb cable.. that enusures that the data gets saved.

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I found how to merge routes:

Go to one of the routes you want to merge.
Click on it so that the list of waypoints shows.
Select all the waypoints you want to use (left click on first waypoint. Press shift and click on last waypoint then right click and select copy)
Open the other route and paste the waypoints into the route.

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I import routes all the time, and if made on a differnt map it will recalculate with new map and wil respect al the waypoints you have put in. I have never seen the name change from Mapsource to the Zumo *unless* the route is aready on the Zumo in which case it appends onto the end of the name (I think 1,2,3.. etc)

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Routes get saved and shown alphabeticaly. A space will be sorted before a number, etc. Rename routes with numbers in the front, or spaces, etc to change the order

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Maps will be valid on any device. Just hook up the device to the unit, use the program you use to get the map on that computer. (Ie: I have lifetime updater installed and use that.) You can select for the maps to be on the device, the computer, or both.

Hope this helps!

..Tom

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Vee2 or V2 = DL1000 2015 to 2019
Vee3 or V3 = DL1050 2020 to?

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2006 DL650: 202,000 km 125,500 miles, Sold
2012 DL650 139,500+ km, 86,700+ miles. Sold
2015 DL1000 New July 2015 205,000+ km, 127,000+ miles.

This can help preventing from cars pulling out in front of you (SMIDSY)
SMIDSY detailed report.


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QUOTE=garandman;

- If you have a Garmin charger the unit will work just as if the cover is in place

So after $700.00 I still have to buy another charger so I can load and check data without the battery cover in place.

- YMMV. I put all the mp3 files on the memory card organized by music, podcast, etc.

Yes, already added a memory card. Interface could be better for music. I don't use it for anything but music.

- Different type of traffic data. The Nuvis use FM traffic. I've found FM traffic to be a great way to show you what traffic was like two hours ago. The receiver (which is waterproof and plugs into a small jack) on the Zumo is a full-blown Satellite radio system that will allow you to receive radio and real-time traffic and weather.

Maybe you are talking about the 665? The 660 does not have satelite radio. Other Zumos have FM antenna available. Amazon lists this one, however I don't see it listed at Garmin as being compatible with the 660.

Amazon.com: Garmin GTM 12 FM Traffic Receiver: GPS & Navigation

I found it very good on my cheap 265t.


- Can be disabled.

Yes, Tom indicated that.

- Are you using the default screen? If you switch to the "More Data View" under Tools - Settings - Map you can select four data fields for viewing. The data fields can be different depending on whether you are following a route or not.

Yes, I've done that. When routing, the data fields are used for other information, but I guess I'll just have to use one of them. As I said, I miss the little north arrow. Should be able to put it on the screen without taking up a data field. I don't need SW, S, E, SE etc when a little arrow on the main screen would work as it does so well on my old 60Cx.

- YMMV, it's pretty darned goood in Boston, even after the Big Dig. The only area I've found off is the rrouting of Route 93 in SNH, which is ongoing.[/QUOTE]

Last weekend, it routed around a broken road. I just kept riding through the 'broken' road that has always been there. Same trip, 2 mispelled roads. Gas station locations are a joke, but that is nothing new. They are not updated regularly, but that's the same as other units I've used. I've found some that have obviously been closed for years, yet show on the poi. Others just the opposite, obviously open for years, but not in found list. Maybe they have to pay to be included in Garmin's data.

I guess I sound like I'm whining about little things. Maybe I am, but for the kind of money Garmin wants for these things, it should be better.

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- If you have a Garmin charger the unit will work just as if the cover is in place

So after $700.00 I still have to buy another charger so I can load and check data without the battery cover in place.
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2tall,

I think Garandman's suggestion about the battery charger misses the intent of your question.

If you have the unit plugged into your computer via USB and are done transferring files then Eject the unit (this is a choice o nthe computer.) You don't have to unplug it. Once ejected (even though still plugged in) it will act as if the unit has the door closed. If you unplug it you will then have to close the door and the unit will restart.

There is a north arrow (at least there is in the "more data view" that I use and I'm sure elsewhere) *if you are in "track up" mode as opposed to "north up" mode. The arrow is jsut to the left of the time display.

..Tom

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Vee2 or V2 = DL1000 2015 to 2019
Vee3 or V3 = DL1050 2020 to?

My Stroms:
2006 DL650: 202,000 km 125,500 miles, Sold
2012 DL650 139,500+ km, 86,700+ miles. Sold
2015 DL1000 New July 2015 205,000+ km, 127,000+ miles.

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