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post #1 of 16 Old 09-09-2010, 09:22 PM Thread Starter
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Installing SW-Motech GPS mount w/Madstad brackets

Howdy again. As usual, when I install a new piece of equipment, I have this irrational desire to document the process, in hopes of making it easier for anyone who wants to do the same install in the future. I generally take more pictures than are absolutely necessary, but I figure too many is better than too few.

This time, I’m installing an SW-Motech vibration-damped GPS mount on my ’09 DL-650A. A couple of complicating factors: 1) I’ve already got the Madstad windscreen brackets (and want to keep them) and 2) my new zümo 660 GPS unit needs a special adapter to fit with this mount.

Right, then. Let’s roll up our sleeves, crack open another bottle of malted assembly lubricant, and get to it.

First, assemble the mount per the Motech instructions. I didn’t document that too much, as their instructions are pretty clear. I suppose you could assemble it after it’s mounted on the bike, but it’s much easier to do on your workbench/kitchen table without the fear of dropping some tiny screw down into the bowels of the motorcycle (foreshadowing alert).

Anyway, here’s the mount and the cradle all put together.


Oh, remember how I mentioned the special adapter? It looks like this:

(illustration stolen from Twisted Throttle)

It’s really just four Delrin spacers and some longer screws. The Garmin cradle for the zümo 660 (and the 665) sticks out on the bottom, so it won’t mount flat against the Motech mounting plate. The spacers stand it far enough away so that the lower lip is out of the way. You’ll need four washers and the little nylock nuts from the bag of hardware that came with the zümo. Here’s a close-up of where the spacers go.


Alternately, if you don’t want to spend ten bucks for the adapter kit, you could try grinding a few millimeters off the bottom edge of the Motech mounting plate, but then you’d be getting dangerously close to the mounting holes. I suppose you could also use a stack of washers, but you’ll still need the longer screws. The adapter kit is easier.

Here’s a look at the “vibration-damping” section of the mount. There are rubber bushings incorporated in the mount to help ease the shakes. More on that later.


Here’s the whole thing. That’s the big fat cable trailing off from the bottom-right.


Ah, the cable. The other (non-cradle) end of the cable presents us with a bouquet of connectors: audio in, headset, power, and a cute little mini-USB for the traffic antenna. There’s even a handy in-line fuse holder, complete with 2A fuse.



We’re going to chop them all off.

Why would you do such a thing, after Garmin went to all that trouble? Well, I know I’m not going to get the traffic receiver. And any other audio needs can be accommodated via the built-in Bluetooth. I thought about trying to bag or tape up the connectors so I could leave them in place, but in the end I figured it’s much easier just to lop ‘em all off.

(Hey, Garmin – if you’re reading this, how about making a zümo cradle that only has power connectors, without all the other stuff? I know the car cradle is power-only, but it won’t attach to the Motech mount)

I put the bracket roughly in position and trailed the cable down the outside of the bike to gauge where I should make the cut. It ended up being about 12” from the big cable-splitting point.


There’s enough left over that I could conceivably put everything back together should I go insane at some point.

Sorry Garmin…


Strip back a couple of inches of insulation and you’re rewarded with a lovely multicolored spray of little tiny wires.


We really only need the power wires. Fortunately, they’re wrapped in foil all by themselves (as opposed to the braided sheathing that’s also in there). And they’re the biggest wires in there, so look for the slightly-bigger pair of red and black wires among the tiny forest. They’re on the left in this picture.


I snipped off all the other wires at slightly different lengths (to avoid shorting) then added heat-shrink tubing and a few wraps of electrical tape to (hopefully) waterproof everything.


Now, Touratech will sell you a lovely little waterproof quick-disconnect set to extend your zümo power cable for $20 or so. It’s probably the most affordable thing in the entire Touratech catalog.

But since I don’t really plan on doing a lot of disconnecting, I just used Posi-Locks. If I need to pull the cradle for some reason, it’s easy enough to undo (and re-do) the Posi-Locks.


I put a little strip of black electrical tape on the negative connector so I could keep them straight.


When I measured my cable-cutting point, I wanted it to be in roughly the same place at the big electrical connector down in the lower part of the left fairing. That seemed to make the most sense, so if you ever needed to take the bike apart, you’d see the Posi-Locks and take them apart at the same time as the big connector.


I measured out some red and black 18-AWG wire and twisted it together, connected it to the Posi-Locks, then zip-tied it to the big cable that goes aft toward the battery. I have an FZ-1 Fuzeblock mounted back in the under-seat tray, and made the final electrical connection there. Fortunately, the 2A fuse that came with the Garmin is the right mini-ATM size, so in it went.


And we’re finished with the electrical.
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On to the mounting!
(that’s what she said)

First, remove the windscreen. Here are the naked Madstad brackets without the windscreen.


The Madstad brackets are easy enough to remove. I put the new Motech mount under them, and replaced the Madstads. Simple!


In this configuration, you don’t need the spacers and the longer screws that come with the Motech mount.


Here’s a look thru the (re-installed) windscreen at the mount in place.


Here’s a look at the cradle from the driver’s side.


Now with the ünit in place. Turn the key, and… success! We have zümo!


In this configuration, the zümo actually extends toward the rider a couple of inches. If you want your GPS to be closer to you, this should work well.


But if you’re like me, and can’t leave well enough alone, you might want to find a way to move the unit back a bit (away from the rider). That way, the GPS display would be in the same “visual plane” as the other instruments.

Indeed, that’s why the SW-Motech mount comes with spacers and longer screws. But the spacers are designed to work with the original Suzuki windscreen mounts, and have little protrusions that would go in to the Suzi mount. But the Madstad bracket won’t accommodate that protrusion.


Now, I suppose I could try to stack some washers to make up that space. But I was worried that might put the mount too close to the windscreen, limiting my screen adjustment options.
So I took a different approach. I broke out the hacksaw.


By removing the protrusion, the spacer will sit flat between the Madstad bracket and the Motech mount.
Here are some works in progress. The two spacers on the left have been cut (the cut side is down in this picture), #3 is in progress, and I haven’t started on #4 yet. And yes, the cut side is a bit chewed up, but you’ll never see it after installation. Still, I took a file to each spacer to make sure it was flat.


Then I painted the spacers black. So these next pictures are from 24 hours later, after the paint has dried. The sun has set and risen anew, people were born and lived and died, and the paint dried.

Here’s the install. I used the longer screws that came with the SW-Motech mount, but kept the original locking washers and rubber washers from the Madstad mount.


And another look. The Madstad bracket is on the bottom, then the spacer (chewed-up side down), then the Motech mount, rubber washer, lock washer, screw.


Here’s the finished install, Motech atop Madstad. The short, fat spacers go on top, the longer, skinnier spacers go on the bottom. (that's how they were listed in the Motech instructions) This pivots the mount a bit closer to the rider; I may try reversing them if I want to try moving the unit another 1/8" away.


CAUTIONARY NOTE ! ! Do NOT drop anything down either of those big holes at the bottom of the windscreen mount! It’s a great place to route the cable coming down off the cradle, but if – hypothetically, of course – you were to, say, drop one of the spacers down there, you might (hypothetically) have to take the whole front of the motorcycle apart to find the damned thing, nestled between the headlight reflectors, looking like it was SUPPOSED to be there until you actually touched it and discovered it wasn’t attached to anything.

Hypothetically, of course.



With that hypothetical unpleasantness out of the way, here’s the finished install. It looks good!


As you can see, it’s about an inch farther away from the rider, closer to the instrument plane. Me likee!


And here’s the view from the driver’s perspective. Sweet!


I’ve only had this setup for a week or so, but so far, I really like it. I really like having all the instruments together in one place, as opposed to having the GPS bolted off to the side somewhere, or on a crossbar that might interfere with my tank bag. It’s pretty tight getting to the Madstad knobs, but easy if you remove the zümo from the mount. And I had no clearance issues with various different windscreen positions (just for testing - I honestly don’t find myself adjusting my windscreen that often).

As for the “vibration-damped” mount: I think “damped” is the correct term here. This is not some fancy gyroscopic stabilization device. But it does seem to keep the GPS screen pretty clear. Make no mistake, if you hit a bump, this thing is going to bounce around a bit, but the mount does seem to soak up some of the shakes. This is my first GPS mount on a motorcycle, so I have nothing to compare it to, but I’m a happy customer.

Now, let the “here’s-how-I-would’ve-done-it” comments begin!

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A very excellent write up. It would have been a big help when doing mine. It should be pinned IMO.

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Skyguy, I love your work! That looks great and answered several questions for me. But since you are so good at this, I suggest you get a Dremel tool to make the cutting easier and neater. Thanks again.
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Thanks, folks! You know, the stupid thing is I DO have a Dremel tool - I just forgot about it. I think the reptile part of my brain was saying, "Must cut metal. Get hacksaw." It certainly would've made for a tidier job. I think I'll put my hacksaw UNDER my Dremel tool so I'm not tempted again.

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Great article! I will be ordering one of the mounts soon and installing a
GPS. The biggest concern I had was if the obstruction in flow behind the windshield caused any buffeting. Buffeting is very bad with out bikes to begin with and I don't want to make it any worse.

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I haven't noticed any buffeting. I already had the Madstad brackets adjusted for the "sweet spot," which for me was pretty much where Mr. Madstad recommended in the instructions (I think it's something like halfway up and two-thirds back?). After installing the Motech mount, I thought I'd try raising the screen an inch or so, but that actually introduced some buffeting, so I put it back where it was.
The Madstad brackets do move the windscreen a bit farther away from the front of the motorcycle than the stock Suzuki brackets, so there's a decent amount of air getting under the screen. I put almost 400 miles on the bike this weekend* and didn't notice anything unusual in the cockpit... except now I know where I'm going!


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Excellent write-up
Another option for an over the dash mount that is worth noting is from Richland Rick.. I have just about everything he makes on my bike (actually I think I do have everything). I can't say enough good things about his products. He makes top quality stuff at a very reasonable cost.







Rick's GPS Above the Dash GPS Mount

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Awesome adaption of the SW-MOTECH mount! Love it.
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On to the mounting!
(that’s what she said)

First, remove the windscreen. Here are the naked Madstad brackets without the windscreen.


The Madstad brackets are easy enough to remove. I put the new Motech mount under them, and replaced the Madstads. Simple!


In this configuration, you don’t need the spacers and the longer screws that come with the Motech mount.


Here’s a look thru the (re-installed) windscreen at the mount in place.


Here’s a look at the cradle from the driver’s side.


Now with the ünit in place. Turn the key, and… success! We have zümo!


In this configuration, the zümo actually extends toward the rider a couple of inches. If you want your GPS to be closer to you, this should work well.


But if you’re like me, and can’t leave well enough alone, you might want to find a way to move the unit back a bit (away from the rider). That way, the GPS display would be in the same “visual plane” as the other instruments.

Indeed, that’s why the SW-Motech mount comes with spacers and longer screws. But the spacers are designed to work with the original Suzuki windscreen mounts, and have little protrusions that would go in to the Suzi mount. But the Madstad bracket won’t accommodate that protrusion.


Now, I suppose I could try to stack some washers to make up that space. But I was worried that might put the mount too close to the windscreen, limiting my screen adjustment options.
So I took a different approach. I broke out the hacksaw.


By removing the protrusion, the spacer will sit flat between the Madstad bracket and the Motech mount.
Here are some works in progress. The two spacers on the left have been cut (the cut side is down in this picture), #3 is in progress, and I haven’t started on #4 yet. And yes, the cut side is a bit chewed up, but you’ll never see it after installation. Still, I took a file to each spacer to make sure it was flat.


Then I painted the spacers black. So these next pictures are from 24 hours later, after the paint has dried. The sun has set and risen anew, people were born and lived and died, and the paint dried.

Here’s the install. I used the longer screws that came with the SW-Motech mount, but kept the original locking washers and rubber washers from the Madstad mount.


And another look. The Madstad bracket is on the bottom, then the spacer (chewed-up side down), then the Motech mount, rubber washer, lock washer, screw.


Here’s the finished install, Motech atop Madstad. The short, fat spacers go on top, the longer, skinnier spacers go on the bottom. (that's how they were listed in the Motech instructions) This pivots the mount a bit closer to the rider; I may try reversing them if I want to try moving the unit another 1/8" away.


CAUTIONARY NOTE ! ! Do NOT drop anything down either of those big holes at the bottom of the windscreen mount! It’s a great place to route the cable coming down off the cradle, but if – hypothetically, of course – you were to, say, drop one of the spacers down there, you might (hypothetically) have to take the whole front of the motorcycle apart to find the damned thing, nestled between the headlight reflectors, looking like it was SUPPOSED to be there until you actually touched it and discovered it wasn’t attached to anything.

Hypothetically, of course.



With that hypothetical unpleasantness out of the way, here’s the finished install. It looks good!


As you can see, it’s about an inch farther away from the rider, closer to the instrument plane. Me likee!


And here’s the view from the driver’s perspective. Sweet!


I’ve only had this setup for a week or so, but so far, I really like it. I really like having all the instruments together in one place, as opposed to having the GPS bolted off to the side somewhere, or on a crossbar that might interfere with my tank bag. It’s pretty tight getting to the Madstad knobs, but easy if you remove the zümo from the mount. And I had no clearance issues with various different windscreen positions (just for testing - I honestly don’t find myself adjusting my windscreen that often).

As for the “vibration-damped” mount: I think “damped” is the correct term here. This is not some fancy gyroscopic stabilization device. But it does seem to keep the GPS screen pretty clear. Make no mistake, if you hit a bump, this thing is going to bounce around a bit, but the mount does seem to soak up some of the shakes. This is my first GPS mount on a motorcycle, so I have nothing to compare it to, but I’m a happy customer.

Now, let the “here’s-how-I-would’ve-done-it” comments begin!
I was wondering how you took the wiring from the GPS you routed down into the front of the windscreen area to a power source and does it come on when you turn the key on or do you have other ways to power it up.
Thanks I realize this is an old thread


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