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post #1 of 36 Old 01-28-2017, 12:26 PM Thread Starter
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GPS /routes question

In November I picked up a 2012 DL 650, which I love.

I also own an iPhone 6.

I am wondering what configurations (software, app, mounting hardware, etc) have worked for a budget-friendly gps system that I can use with my phone to find new routes and navigate. On the Texas ADV website there are routes posted an a GPX format, but they won't open on my mac desktop. I am trying to keep prices down as the bike, jacket, helmet, insurance and future farkles etc. add up quick for a working stiff with kids.... So, I'd be interested to hear what systems/configurations have worked for other strominators out there.

Also, if anyone knows of some good strom friendly dirt roads within an hour west of the Austin area (hill country)... I'd be happy to hear about them.

Thanks and happy trails....
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I've used an app called OsmAND. I have an android phone, but there is a version of OsmAND for iphones. It doesn't have the most user friendly interface, but that isn't a problem for me since I plan all my routes on Tyre to Travel (a free route mapping software that uses Google Maps) and the upload the custom routes to both my Android phone and to my standalone Garmin GPS.

If I recall correctly, the app was $7.99 on the Google Play store. It's available on iTunes I think, but I don't know how much it costs there.

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Thank you

I appreciate the info... that sounds very reasonable.
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Long time ago I got a YUGE Texas Farm and Market map at a store in Dallas Ft Worth area. I gave it to some one in Texas later. Swear to gawd it had every road in Texas on it.
That's the kind of thing that folks need for the tank bag. You can do the GPS thing but some of those can lead you on a wrong road or to a cliff.
Electronics are nice but I like a paper map up front and get the big picture.
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No problem. I tend to rely more on my old school GPS, but it's nice to have a backup map on the phone in case the device fails. With OsmAND you'll have to download the maps for whatever states you'll be traveling in, and I believe there was a limit on how many states you could download when you purchase the app, but it's been a while since I did it so I don't recall for sure.

As for the Tyre to Travel program, I found it to be infinitely more user friendly than Garmin's route planning software. If the road exists on Google Maps, you can locate it, map it, and ride it using Tyre. I've found quite a few dirt and gravel roads in NC using it. The program creates a .gpx file that is easily transferrable to the phone, or to a TomTom or Garmin with the Trip Planner feature. The downside to Tyre as a route planning software is that you have to have an internet connection to use it, and they don't have a version for Mac.

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Long time ago I got a YUGE Texas Farm and Market map at a store in Dallas Ft Worth area. I gave it to some one in Texas later. Swear to gawd it had every road in Texas on it.
That's the kind of thing that folks need for the tank bag. You can do the GPS thing but some of those can lead you on a wrong road or to a cliff.
Electronics are nice but I like a paper map up front and get the big picture.
It's always good to have a map. I have an NC Atlas, plus a Rand McNally US Atlas when I travel cross country. That being said, I've never had to use the map in the 6 or so years that I've been riding all over the country with a GPS. I've also never encountered a misplaced cliff, or a phantom road that lead me to oblivion. I'll always carry a map because that's just the way I am, but as far as navigation goes, the new tech is way better.

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I know whatchu mean about the GPS. Even my ancient Garmin III plus has roads in obscure places displayed. The value of the GPS with POI's is indispensable.
A feller who was sponsoring a camp out at his place in the Sierra Nevada's minded me not to rely on the Garmin to get to his place. The road indicated ended at the edge of an abyss.
Stories abound about folks being led astray on logging roads or worse in the drink of same pond.
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I use TomTom app on the iPhone but I'm told the new version does not have Winding Roads which is critical for finding excllent rides autmatically. Apparently a 1.4 update allows that FINALLY but according to the comments I'm sticking with the old version with lifetime maps and no update fees.

I suspect some of the many newer apps will have a similar features.

The Rosetta stone for nav is Furkot which is platform independent and lets you read GPX and create GPX files and gives you access to many routes both with GPX supplied and just mapped routes without way points.

Looks like Scenic has a come a long way.
https://itunes.apple.com/app/id1089668246

Copilot is popular.

Some info here
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and here
The 20 Best Offline GPS Apps And Smartphone GPS Navigation Apps - CyclingAbout

As for mounting I use the middle one here





https://www.rammount.com/brand/apple...-mounts#x-grip

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If the phone looks odd it has a Mophy case around it for extra battery. Lately I've skipped wiring the bike and just run a cable from my tank bag with the XP3 in it
https://www.amazon.ca/Antigravity-Ba.../dp/B00GT2FUB2

It is an invaluable item to take touring.

There are any number of ways to waterproof tho a baggie does just fine.

For in network Nav Googlemaps is decent especially for point of interest.

It's a much more varied landscape of Apps out there than when I started a few years ago.

Furkot is just loaded with info



all those orange hearts are existing routes ...some with GPX files attached and clicking on them takes you to a larger route description and detail and GPX link if there is one.


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I know whatchu mean about the GPS. Even my ancient Garmin III plus has roads in obscure places displayed. The value of the GPS with POI's is indispensable.
A feller who was sponsoring a camp out at his place in the Sierra Nevada's minded me not to rely on the Garmin to get to his place. The road indicated ended at the edge of an abyss.
Stories abound about folks being led astray on logging roads or worse in the drink of same pond.
A Korean man died in Oregon several years ago. He was following GPS in the winter. Got stuck in snow on a remote road, left his vehicle and family to get help and died of hypothermia. His family (wife and small child if I remember right) were found based on triangulated signals from cell towers that had passed their text messages out. They were hypothermic.

I read about another guy in Idaho on e-ham.net (a ham radio website). He was traveling through Idaho in late fall taking back roads using his GPS and ended up on a road that gets closed in the winter. As the road got worse, he decided to turn around, but got stuck. There was no cell coverage, but over his HF radio he was able to contact a guy in Arizona, and another in Illinois, and between the three of them they got his location to the local sheriff's dept. A deputy came out several hours later and got him un-stuck. The deputy commented, "in a few more days we would have closed the gate to this road and no one would have found you until the spring."

I like technology - cell phones, gps, radios etc ... - but when I took a map and compass course years ago, the concept they taught us was to "stay found." In other words, know exactly where you are on the map at all times. As soon as you get disoriented get to the nearest unmistakable landmark and triangulate your position. I use GPS, but on several occasions I have had GPS (with updated maps) lead me to wrong locations, or misrouted me and the gps was too confused to get me back to a landmark. One was in Chicago on roads that were not new at all. I'll use GPS as a routing tool, and as a back up to give me my coordinates, but I've got to have paper for a sanity check on the gps. And I won't take more than two turns without verifying where I am on paper.
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When I hear stories like that one about the man who got stuck on a snow covered road, and it's used as an example of why a GPS isn't a substitution for a map, I have to wonder if a map would have had any different an outcome. Why would a map have shown him anything different about the road than a GPS did? A GPS will usually route you over the shortest route from point A to point B; if you're looking at a map and looking for the shortest route from point A to point B, you'd be likely to choose the same road. And if he'd used a map instead of the GPS, the map wouldn't have prevented the same outcome; he would still have been stuck on a snow covered remote road in Oregon, and obviously unprepared for such an event (as is common for anyone who isn't familiar with potentially severe winter conditions while driving).

In this case, however, it's not an example of a GPS steering someone wrong. The driver involved in the incident was named James Kim, and he used an Oregon state highway map to navigate, not a GPS. He and his family ignored several warning signs that the road wasn't safe for winter travel, and continued driving until they got stuck. If they'd looked closer at the map they were using, they'd have seen a warning advisory that not all the roads were advisable for travel, and to check local weather conditions before traveling on them.

This was not an example of the GPS "steering someone wrong"; it's just another tragic example of someone not assessing the true risk potential of what they're doing.

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