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post #1 of 30 Old 07-11-2018, 08:58 PM Thread Starter
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Price is my primary consideration when buying tires.

Yea they're are those that won't put "cheap" tires on a bike thinking that expensive tires are safer somehow. I don't believe that seeing that all tires sold in the US have to meet DOT standards.

I've always wondered though if there was a cost to wear ratio that favors the expensive tires. Do tires that cost twice as much have that much greater tread wear? Being uh.. cheap I haven't bucked up to find out for myself.

Talking to the Euro bike riders at work that do buy premium tires they report about the same mileage I get with the Shinko 712.

Recently I bought a 2014 DL1000 that came with Pirelli Scorpion Trail 2 tires. The tires had about 1000 miles on them. Now at about 5000 miles the back has hit the wear bars. Hmm not any better than the Shinko. The Pirelli is more than twice the cost of the Shinko.

So there you go empirical evidence that it's not cost effective to buy expensive tires!

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Got 6800mi out of 712 rest.

Would have been more if not for the road trip it just melted off at highway speeds on 53F November day.

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Yea they're are those that won't put "cheap" tires on a bike thinking that expensive tires are safer somehow. I don't believe that seeing that all tires sold in the US have to meet DOT standards.
I don't know if I would "reference" DOT standards. After all, we see what helmets are out there with "DOT" on them!

But I am with you otherwise. There is simply no guarantee of tire life or performance based on price. I have run Michelin PR3 and PR4. PR3 did give good mileage, but the PR4 was much less. I tried them and they were not worth the extra cost. I have bought TKC 70's, a higher price tire, and find they do deliver really good mileage if you can stand the cupping on the front tire.

My go to tire is the Bridgestone T-30, T-30 EVO, and now the T-31. Best all around bike tire for the pavement when cost per mile is considered in with great performance on the road. Tires are a compromise. Really good off road tires have to give up something to pavement manners and vice versa. Find what works for your style of riding.

I can honestly say that the highest cost tires rarely find their way onto my bikes or other vehicles. You are paying for a name. I think people get brainwashed by what they pay. If it is more, it is better? For instance, Michelin Road series love to advertise about wet traction. Yet I have never slipped on the Bridgestones I run? I have asked owners that tell me how good their Michelins are in the rain "how do you know? Did the tires you had before slide around a lot". I can say that about some other brands. Each to their own.....
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...For instance, Michelin Road series love to advertise about wet traction. Yet I have never slipped on the Bridgestones I run? I have asked owners that tell me how good their Michelins are in the rain "how do you know? Did the tires you had before slide around a lot".....
I would certainly make no broad claims based on my own limited observations. But with the OEM Trailwings, I did get some sliding on wet roads that ceased when I replaced them with PR4s.
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I used to run shinkos and get about 10k out of a rear. Now I run the Michelin A3 and get 17-20. Sometimes there is a wear advantage, other times not. I got sick of changing tires twice a year, so I'm happy with my choice.
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If Michelin would guarantee me 10,000 miles on an Anakee rear tire I would run them on the Strom and probably on the RT!

I have never had a tire, Michelin or other brand, that gave me 10,000 miles on the rear. I don't dispute that others can do it. I really don't know why I cannot. But it goes back to value. I can buy a new T-31 Bridgestone for about $135 and get maybe 6-8,000 miles. The same PR4 is about $200. At 6,000 miles on the T-31, I don't mind taking it off and replacing it for a trip at the price I pay. I have only ran one or two rear tires to the wear indicators. Always seem to have trip where I don't trust the tire to last.
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Price won't guarantee longevity, if you carry a load, run high speeds, ride on rough rocky roads, you can destroy a tire pretty quick. I have noticed, however, that tires in the same price range tend to give similar performance regardless of brand.

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I dont brag about how much I spend on a tire, how little I spend on a tire, or how much life I got of out a tire.
My deal is how the tire affects the bike's steering and handling, and the available grip both dry and in the rain.
I've put tire brands on my bikes through the years that had excellent grip and improved handling, but close to zero directional stability( some of the Dunlops). Ive had others that had it all but, through no fault of the bike developed cupping issues(Bridegstone). Ive had tires that I thought were perfect in every way(Metzeler), and when I replaced them I found other tires that were even slightly better(Michelin PR4).
I'm not rich. I have ways of saving money. Scrimping and hyper-miling on my motorcycle tires aren't included in those ways.
I use what I consider the best handling, best steering, and most most neutral tires I can find. If I have to pay a bit more to achieve that I'm not hearbroken
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If Michelin would guarantee me 10,000 miles on an Anakee rear tire I would run them on the Strom and probably on the RT!

I have never had a tire, Michelin or other brand, that gave me 10,000 miles on the rear. I don't dispute that others can do it. I really don't know why I cannot..
The one on the right (E07 rear) has 25k, middle (E07 front) has 30 and left (712 rear) 6,800. YMMV


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I'm not rich. I have ways of saving money. Scrimping and hyper-miling on my motorcycle tires aren't included in those ways.
I use what I consider the best handling, best steering, and most most neutral tires I can find. If I have to pay a bit more to achieve that I'm not heartbroken...

I don't hypermil my bike but I also don't ride anywhere near 100% on the street. High performance tires are a waste of money for me. Yea maybe there would be a situation that the "cheap" tires capabilities would be exceeded but that would be an error on my part.

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