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post #71 of 97 Old 08-18-2018, 04:15 PM Thread Starter
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Finally, nice weather. Took the sixfiddy on a nice shakeout ride, on one of the curviest, nasty, torn up roads in the area. Gouges and ruts in the pavement, and met with even worse when I got to my destination with horrendous road conditions from sewer replacements. I think the car tire works great! No difference that I can tell. Still holding all pressure, even did a spirited 80-85 (indicated) on the way home to heat 'er up good. Not trying to lead anyone down the path, but will say, I'm loving it!! My 06 has no ABS, but it's very hard to lock up the rear tire. Between the tread and siping, it sticks like glue. It did manage to slide a bit when testing hard braking in rain yesterday. I'm the curious type, I love to experiment, I'm a bit of a daredevil, and my opinion is the only one that matters to ME! But,....I do appreciate the work of those who initially took the plunge to prove a car tire can be an option on bikes.
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Had a trailer tire installed on a trailer rim a few days ago. No pops when the bead seated. And the tire is fine.

May not be the same as a car or bike or a car/bike, but pops don't always happen.
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post #73 of 97 Old 08-22-2018, 08:02 PM
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No pop. When I finally had it on it seated very easily. But I use a good lubricant to help the seating and also a MC tire does not give the classical pop since it slides more easily. I now have about 6500 miles on mine. Will measure the remaining tread and calculate the expected total mileage and report then in more detail.
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As I put on a few more miles, the one notable thing is: wow, that Shinko 705 frt tire sings like a scalded coyote! Never realized how noisey it was, altho' the old Metzler was probably just as bad. I don't hear a peep out of the rear now.The 705 frt should be good for many miles yet, but when it's time is up, I'll switch to a less aggressive frt Shinko.

BTW, this is my second year with the DL650, but I'm still amazed at how much I LOVE this bike!!
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post #75 of 97 Old 10-06-2018, 11:42 AM
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So I am now testing a Pirelli 210 Snowcontrol Serie 3; 195/55-17.

They are obsolete in the US and difficult to get and a few are available in Canada. They are standard size in Europe (Mini and Smart).

The size is almost the same diameter (as per the theoretical tire size) +0.4%. The width per specification is 7.7" and thus narrower than the 205 series tires used by others. Mounted it is much narrower and has plenty of clearance on both sides (V2), see pictures and the tire has a rounded profile, unlike other winter tire choices.

I did not succeed to mount it with my mount bar and had to use tire irons. The rim is probably not so happy now. It would probably have helped to use the zip tie method. I had a real hard time to get the tire pushed into the valley of the rim!

Disadvantage: Expensive. I hope to get well over 10k out of this tire and this is a test to get ready for an extensive PNW trip. Starting tread depth is only about 8mm (compared to 8.8mm for the Tourance that gave me about 7.5k - 8k life going out west last year). Riding is amazingly very similar to the Tourance Next I had on there before, Tourance Next in the front, however I have not pushed it hard through twisties.
So the test is going to be over soon. The tire has 8300 miles on it now and my total estimate is just shy of 10k with 1.5-2mm thread left then.

Here are my findings.
-When riding slow it feels strange when turning. The faster you go the more normal it feels. The tire sidewalls flex and you are not riding on the edge of the tire.
-You think a car tire can't square off. It can and does. The tire is worn totally flat with 80% of tread remaining at the outsides and 20% in the center.
-The worn tire does not like wet. It slides by simply clutching down a little aggressive. That NEVER happened with a Tourance.
-There seems to be slight rim leak so the tire seems to seal not as well as a MC tire.
-When new ABS and TC were working as usual. Once about half worn TC started to act up and I turned it off. It would engage (in TC1) while going +70 in 6th gear. With increased tire wear ABS would more and more frequently shut off after a while of riding.
-The tire makes the bike track straight very well. You can take the hands of the handlebar, just like a bicycle, and steer it with weight shift. Not that this would be encouraged!! But no big effort to make it turn either.

So in summary, too may cons to continue, especially the poor grip when its wet! It will come off now. Back to the trusted Tourance.

EDIT: Please note and remember that this Pirelli is almost the same circumference than stock. Other tires (205 width) will be more problematic with clearance and circumference and the associated issues with TC and ABS.
Also the shorter than hoped for life is likely caused because it is a snow tire, very soft. Had very good grip on dry surface till the end.
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So in summary, too may cons to continue, especially the poor grip when its wet! It will come off now. Back to the trusted Tourance.

Xlnt review blaustrom! Thanx for that.

I've been flirting with the idea for a few years. Its nice to get an informed opinion that is not either a fan boy or a you're going to die type.

The traction control triggering at speed is concerning for sure.

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Spec's right, it's nice to see a follow-up report from someone who has actually tried it for long enough interval to evaluate it, decided he didn't like it, and then explained the things he didn't like about it. That's orders of magnitude more helpful to guys that are genuinely curious about it than the hordes of guys with no relevant experience one way or the other prophesying doom and gloom like a motorcycling Nostradamus.

This topic comes up often enough that it ought to be a sticky. Add one for darksiders and one for "why are Harley riders such poopyheads and won't wave to me" to the current oil thread and buffeting thread, and you'd probably account for about a third of the posts on the forum.
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-You think a car tire can't square off. It can and does. The tire is worn totally flat with 80% of tread remaining at the outsides and 20% in the center.
Thanks for the review.

I have about 7,500 miles on mine and it's pretty hard to even tell it wasn't just put on yesterday. (could very well just be the difference in tires)

Just curious, how much air were you running in it? I know a lot of people said about running higher pressure due to the bead, but I found mine to be very comfortable at about 26lb or so. Worn in the middle is usually a sign of over inflation.

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... Worn in the middle is usually a sign of over inflation.

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Very true. At least on a MC tire. I guess I envisioned the middle worn on the car tire as just a small portion of the overall tread worn.
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