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post #1 of 25 Old 10-08-2017, 01:12 PM Thread Starter
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Just curious about those who fitted tires that are mostly dirt oriented

Was sitting here, at some fru-fru coffee shop in Barrie Ontario, wondering what the handling of the ?Strom 1000 on trails with purpose built tires is like. I have not done any real trail riding ever on two wheels. Did a lot of rock crawling in jeeps, but nothing on two wheels. Was thinking of looking for an off-road course to learn how to do it.

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It doesn't matter what tires you put on a DL650/1000 they will never make up for the weight, and width of the bike. Sure in capable hands a select few can do amazing things on "big" hefty adventure bikes but for the masses lighter is better.

A while back I took my DR650 that is easily 100lbs lighter than the DL650/1000 on a 8-1/2 miles section of B+ class single track by mistake. About 2 miles in ounces felt like pounds and pounds felt like tons. If I was on the DL I would have just left the bike in the woods to rot because there is no way I could have muscled it through this section of the course. Actually everybody that came by on their lightweight Austrian/Euro bikes looked at me and cringed at what I was undertaking.

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I would recommend that you initially restrict yourself to formed roads and tracks. You will find that the rougher parts are sufficient challenge for most. Avoid loose sand or mud. The only way to conquer them is at max speed which can end up badly.
I have Mitas E-07's fitted which are adequate on seal and far more stable than OEM on loose surfaces and by that I mean a loose surface with a firm base beneath.
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wondering what the handling of the ?Strom 1000 on trails with purpose built tires is like. Was thinking of looking for an off-road course to learn how to do it.
Dwayneh, if you are interested in an off-road course, I'd keep your eyes peeled for the announcement of Camp 'N Ride in Romney, WV, for 2018. I attended my first Camp n Ride this year (2017). As part of the agenda, they offered an off-road class. Take the class if they offer it for 2018. Instruction was provided by Alain of Xplor-Int. He was an excellent instructor!! The rainy weather washed out (yes, pun intended) 70% of the registered attendees for the Friday class. So three of us had excellent personalized attention and instruction for the day. I had my Vee and the other two guys had bikes at least as big as the Vee. While we didn't get into "trail riding" we did spend the day on forest fire roads/trails that were slick mud. Some of those roads were in pretty rough condition from the +2" of rain that fell, so it was an intense class. Since you've not done trail riding, this would have taxed your limits. It did mine. At the end of the day I was exhausted mentally, physically and emotionally. I learned a ton of info and had a great day. I can't say enough good stuff about Alain for teaching it -- nor about Dirt-Dad for setting it all up as part of Camp N Ride. I was running Shinko 705s on the Vee and they handled quite well in the gravel and mud (rated as an 80% pavement 20% off-road tire). Where it was really sticky slick mud, they did fill up but usually not for long. So keep yer peepers peeled for any announcement of Camp N Ride, and take the class if they offer it again.
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Get a KTM 1090 for that or an Africa Twin. 😉

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A vstrom is out of it's element on anything more than a rough dirt road or wide flat singletrack. Weight and no ground clearance are real problems that no amount of skill can address. Sure, you'll see a few youtube vids of some skilled rider whipping his vstrom over challenging (for a vstrom) terrain, but in reality, best pick another bike. You mention zero off road skills? I'd suggest getting novice skills on a much lighter bike that you don't need hulk-power to pick up (the vstrom is a biotch to pick up sometimes), because you will be doing that a-lot when learning the ropes off road - even a simple foot slip tipover is a groan inducing realization with a heavy vstrom. That said, I absolutely love riding on dirt/gravel roads (and into the occasional Pumpkin patch) with my semi-knobbies (Fullbore M40/M41 radials) - very good grip in the dry and in the damp too. Aside from the knob-hum at certain speeds, they're terrific do-it-all tires.

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Read the test results vs the klr http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/su...-650-off-road/

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Get a KTM 1090 for that or an Africa Twin. 😉
That needs some justification. When I did my research before buying the V Strom, I found the numbers for weight, engine performance, and quality of the suspension to be so similar to the Africa Twin, (which was on my short-list); to be so close that the Africa Twin would be no better a machine in any given situation then the ?Strom.
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Meaning that neither are particularly capable off road bikes....

By all means take some dirt courses but these heavy twins simply are not off road machines....especially to someone new.

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https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/201...sport-classic/

Medium dual track is fine for the stroms .....maybe very light single track.
The AF is a bit more dirt oriented
with 9.5 inches of clearance ...the Vee with 6.5 is very vulnerable.....that Honda XLR650 with 13" and only 346 lb....that's for the rough stuff.

The AT is a decent attempt at an off road twin you can also ride for distance. No Strom is, tho with good tires they will take you places street bikes shouldn't tackle. They are a cost effective compromise.
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Was sitting here, at some fru-fru coffee shop in Barrie Ontario, wondering what the handling of the ?Strom 1000 on trails with purpose built tires is like. I have not done any real trail riding ever on two wheels. Did a lot of rock crawling in jeeps, but nothing on two wheels. Was thinking of looking for an off-road course to learn how to do it.
Well, you haven't gotten the bike repainted yet to match that fru fru coffee shop, so at least there's that! :-)

I pretty much agree with most of the opinions here, but just wanted to add that even with the *not* completely right tires (I've got trailwings on my '04 Vee and @karlos has Shinko 705's) you can still have a lot of fun off road on some fairly challenging stuff.


Even an occasional creek crossing!

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