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post #1 of 30 Old 03-31-2017, 08:00 PM Thread Starter
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Where's the Dot?

This is my first time removing an old motorcycle tire and mounting a new one. I've done bicycle tires, so I gather this is the same thing - but different. That is, a lot stinking harder with the stiff sidewalls of a dual purpose motorcycle tire.

The bike has the factory spokes wheels, ~8800 miles on it and this is the first tire change for the bike.

I'm watching videos about removal and mounting.

Bike: '15 DL650A "XT" w/ spoked wheels

Tires: Mitas E07 Dakars

Tools:
Motion Pro Bead breaker
Rim protectors
Two additional combination spoon/wrenches to match the size of the rear axle bolt and nut.
3 gallon air compressor
A gallon of tire bead lube
Adventuretech's front axle bolt tool thingy

1st question: is the 8 in the picture the "dot"? That is, is it the lightest spot on the tire that should be mounted by the stem?

2nd question: is there any reason why I shouldn't remove the paper label inside the tire? (Second picture)

3rd question: can I remove the wheel weights and just use the correct amount (7 ounces front, 9 ounces rear) of "Ride-on Tire-Balancer and Sealant" motorcycle formula and expect the tire to be balanced when I ride it? (Third picture)

4: Any other "gotchas" I should watch for?

Thanks in advance for your help.

PS I looked at the 7014 different tire threads and thought, "I'd like to change my tire sometime this weekend, so I'll ask."
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well, the last 4 or 5 tires I have replaced on my Vee did not have a dot. Hmmm. I'd remove the paper, especially if you are putting RideOn or other sealant/balancer in the tire. I know lots of guys that use the sealant/balancer, I balance my tires with wheel weights. I hear that the Dakars have a stiffer sidewall so they might give you a bit of a harder time spooning tires on and off. Take your time and take small bites at the tire as you are spooning it on or off. Sometimes a third spoon is very handy for keeping the tire on/off where you want it as you are moving to the next bite. I use a C-clamp and two pieces of wood to break the beads, but that Motion Pro two lever bead breaker is on my "I want this" list. Report back on how it works, please. When removing the front wheel from the bike, I loosen (not remove) one of the two brake calipers and find that gives sufficient wiggle room. And, I remember changing bicycle tires while just holding the wheel with one hand or foot. Spooning the motorcycle tire off and on takes some true leverage. I strap the wheel down to a pallet but MAKE SURE the rotors do not contact anything. I hear that rotors bend and then your tire changing costs just skyrocketed. Maybe add a gallon of lemonade or your favorite adult beverage to your list of tools. Break time might come sooner than you initially expect.
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Don't peel of that paper stamp just yet, it's supposed to be the "dot" you're looking for.

See this thread below;

"Second, most tires have a small dot indicating the lightest point on the tire. I can't find it on the Mitas - is it not there, or is it indicated some other way?

"The stamp mark is inside the tire, no dot outside. Also the Yellow stripe(dakar) left side."
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Don't peel of that paper stamp just yet, it's supposed to be the "dot" you're looking for.

See this thread below;

"Second, most tires have a small dot indicating the lightest point on the tire. I can't find it on the Mitas - is it not there, or is it indicated some other way?

"The stamp mark is inside the tire, no dot outside. Also the Yellow stripe(dakar) left side."
I remembered reading that thread when it was posted but forgot that the tag was the dot. With as much grief as I had getting the front tire on the rim tonight, I'm not sure where the tag is.

I have to agree with Johno_slc in post 28 of that thread. Mounting the front tire was only marginally more fun than a root canal. I had lined up the 8 with the valve stem. Also, I'm having the same problem he had of getting the bead to seal and seat. I'll finagle with it more tomorrow. Thanks for the link.

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Did you go with the "Dakar" version of the E07?

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Did you go with the "Dakar" version of the E07?
Yes, and was it a bugger to get on! I was unable to set the bead last night. Any suggestions?

When I pump air into it, it leaks out too quickly to make it set. It was thoroughly lubed when I put it on, and I re-lube it as it dries.
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JD Astar 1260 lumen LED tail light bulb
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...... I have to agree with Johno_slc in post 28 of that thread. Mounting the front tire was only marginally more fun than a root canal. I had lined up the 8 with the valve stem. Also, I'm having the same problem he had of getting the bead to seal and seat. I'll finagle with it more tomorrow. Thanks for the link.
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Did you go with the "Dakar" version of the E07?
FWIW, I was debating whether or not to go with the Dakar version for an upcoming trip and ended up ordering the Non-Dakar version. They arrived Thursday from Revzilla and I think the sidewall is quite stiff without the extra ply of the Dakar (4 ply vs 3 ply).
After much reading, I've decided not to 'air-down' on the gravel sections of the trip and I think the plain version of the E-07 will be fine.
I won't mount them until about a week before the trip (late May) and hope they won't be too tough to spoon on.

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Yes, and was it a bugger to get on! I was unable to set the bead last night. Any suggestions?

When I pump air into it, it leaks out too quickly to make it set. It was thoroughly lubed when I put it on, and I re-lube it as it dries.
I've heard people say to 'warm' tires before mounting by leaving them out in the sun and it makes things easier.
Not sure how warm the sun is where you are right now but here in Mass it's snowing, lol.
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if your tire is not sealing so it won't seat, throw a strap around the tire. If you have a ratchet strap, that's easiest and best. You slightly tighten the strap which helps sit the tire on the bead all around the wheel. Add air and if it still leaks, tighten the strap a bit. Once it begins to hold air and fill, the tire will start to expand so get the strap off. I've also just wrapped a rope around 2-3 times, then gotten a huge screw driver or metal rod, inserted between tire and rope, twisted rod around (perpendicular to the rope) to tighten it up. Hope that helps.
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I've heard people say to 'warm' tires before mounting by leaving them out in the sun and it makes things easier.
Not sure how warm the sun is where you are right now but here in Mass it's snowing, lol.
Sunny but 65. It is about 70 in the garage.

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if your tire is not sealing so it won't seat, throw a strap around the tire. If you have a ratchet strap, that's easiest and best. You slightly tighten the strap which helps sit the tire on the bead all around the wheel. Add air and if it still leaks, tighten the strap a bit. Once it begins to hold air and fill, the tire will start to expand so get the strap off. I've also just wrapped a rope around 2-3 times, then gotten a huge screw driver or metal rod, inserted between tire and rope, twisted rod around (perpendicular to the rope) to tighten it up. Hope that helps.
Thanks. I've never seen it done, but have a ratcheting strap around it now. It still eats air faster than I can put it in. As the tire is laying on its side, the bead is loose on the top and bottom near the same area. I'll try tightening the strap more. If that doesn't work I may pull the bead off the rim at that point and put it back on.

2015 DL650XT w/ factory Suzuki/Motech side cases and engine guard.
First farkle - Motech center stand
Suzuki handguards
Augustus Wind Deflectors
Fat, foamy grips
Givi AirFlow windscreen
Go-Cruise throttle lock
JD Astar 1260 lumen LED tail light bulb
Suzuki (SW Motech) Top Case
Hyde Racing skid plate
Adventuretech kickstand foot, fork brace, fender raising kit, and peg lowering kit.
Zita 26mm up / 20mm back risers
Sit and Fly Seat Net

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