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post #1 of 30 Old 01-21-2017, 07:07 PM Thread Starter
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Heidenau tire misshap

Five of us took advantage of a near 70F day in Kentucky to get a little riding in today. We had 2 days of heavy rain last week that washed the salt away. Three BMW GSs, a Triumph Explorer and my Tenere. All comparable bikes in weight and horsepower. Two of us on Battlewings, one on TKC 70s, one on Mitas EO 7s and one on Heidenau Scouts.

We took off at 10A and were riding back-roads and twisties. The roads were mostly dry with some water crossing the pavement here and there and the usual dirt and mud in places from tractors using the roads to haul hay rolls to cattle.

Our group was on a popular section of motorcycle road that is relatively twisty with nice sweeping turns that goes through a gorge and over the Kentucky River. We were behaving ourselves when I looked in my mirror (I was lead) and 3 of the 5 bikes were missing. I got turned around and back-tracked a 1/4 mile or so to see the other 3 bikes/riders on the shoulder. The BMW with Heidenau tires (75% tread) let go mid turn with no warning. Luckily it was an outside turn and the bike slid on its cylinder and hit a guard rail as it slid to a stop. The rider following him said it looked like he hit oil, but we walked back to look. Nothing on the road to explain it. Pavement was dry, clean and in good shape. Rider and bike were a little skinned up but both fine to continue on.

I have heard these tires were sketchy when its wet....but decent in the dry. FYI and not meant to start a fight. My brother and several friends are using the Scouts. This is a new experience for us.

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I watched my co-rider lose it on wet pavement with K60s but we were going slowly and in only a shallow turn. He caught it with his foot and the bike only had but a few scratches on the crash bar once it went down. It made me get the TKC70s instead at the time when I had my 650 because of it. I think the tire composition is so stiff to get high mileage that they become slick when wet on pavement.

They are known for this.

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Whether the cause was the tires or not, still, it is Scary stuff.

Only the good Lord knows what's around the bend.

Keep the rubber side DOWN everyone.
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Oh its the tires. After my buddy fell he tried to make them slip and found out just how slippery they can be on the right wet paved surface. He stopped using them on wet pavement completely. They give out early. There are plenty of posted experiences with the same issue. The K60s are notorious on wet pavement.
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Thanks for the post. No problems with the Mitas E0-7s?

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I just swapped out my Wee's K60's last week with Michelin Pilot road 4 Trail tires on both front and back because I'm always getting caught in the rain down here in Florida. It was like night and day with the grip moving to the Michelin's. Very happy with the new tires. Even more so after reading about your friend's experience with them. Stay Safe!
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You may have gone from one of the worst wet grip pavement tires to one of the best IMO.
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You may have gone from one of the worst wet grip pavement tires to one of the best IMO.
Had Pr4's on my '11 650. They stuck excellently, even and especially in the rain. For whatever reason though, I did not get great mileage out of the rear tire. I have always liked the OEM Bridgestone's, they perform well, and I get good mileage out of front and rear. Put on Shinko 705's front and rear 1000 miles ago due to everyone's great reviews including my dealer. Very happy with them. Perform well on dry and wet pavement. Very mild hum that is actually pleasing. Don't know their longevity yet, but for $150. front and rear, I was willing to take a chance.
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The Midas E0 7s were also on a GS and on one of our harder riders. He loves them and switched from Heidenaus. BUT, he also reported much lower lifespan....around 6,000 to 7,000 miles where he got near 9,000 on the common radials available.

My Tenere is on the BWs it came with but I am going back to Anakee 3s when the Wings are done. I like the BWs just fine but the A3 is better in gravel and as good on the wet.

All of us had pucker moments yesterday, but mostly from wet mud in the road in curves. When the water is flowing on asphalt its hard to see a layer of thin mud under it. It is like grease. I started just standing my bike up when I saw wet spots in curves if I could. It sneaks up on you so fast if you are riding any speed at all.

BUT, the Heidenaus let loose on dry clean roadway....this is what surprised us. No braking, no throttle, just a significant lean angle.

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Those Shinko's are temping. Right - the question is do they get half the mileage at half the price meaning you have to change the tires twice as often which is a pain in the butt? They just might depending on the alternative tire you pick. My rear TKC70 was over 10,000 miles when I sold my 650 and there was a few thousand miles mileage left easily on it. I would much rather pay twice the price for twice the mileage but that is just me. There is always risk in having someone mess with your bike more frequently since I don't do tires although my local MotoTireUSA has been great and reasonable compared to the dealers and mail-order tire prices.

I have a list of about five tires under consideration for the first change on the new bike which is a few thousand miles (maybe three months) away. I had a lot of luck with the TKC70s on front and rear which some have not. I didn't get good mileage with the OEM on the 650.

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