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post #1 of 14 Old 11-07-2016, 07:59 PM Thread Starter
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Cogent DDCs or Ricor Intiminators for DL650

Have read all the threads related to those cartridges, but have not seen head to head comparisons, so am asking for feedback.
Both have their proponents, so probably no bad choice, but am trying to buy once and be done, rather than buy twice...
Main concern with the Ricors is lack of rebound damping, as it seems that they work on the compression side, so with the lighter fork oil that is required, there will be a loss of rebound damping.
DDCs are advertised as working on both compression and rebound damping.
Rest of story: 2014 DL650, my weight is around 185 lbs in gear, planning on retaining the Sonic 0.85 springs currently in the forks. Want the cartridges to help reduce the harsh hits when encountering moderate and higher speed bumps as well as sharp edges/pot holes. Went to the Sonics to reduce brake dive, which they did.
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There is no issue with rebound on Intiminators. Does Cogent help with brake dive?
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Would like to find out as well, although suspect that issue is dealt with when following Cogent's advice to use the correct linear rate spring.
DDCs are fairly new compared to Ricors, so hard to find feedback from actual users, hence this thread.
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I like my Cogent DDCs and my linear springs. Yes I now have much less dive. You need to buy The Cogent catridge installation tool- else the little sods get tilted and jam the fork inner.
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There's no dive with Intiminators, just rear jack up.
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I like my Cogent DDCs and my linear springs. Yes I now have much less dive. You need to buy The Cogent catridge installation tool- else the little sods get tilted and jam the fork inner.
How is the compression and rebound damping? How is it when you encounter bumps or potholes?
FInally, was thinking of installing them, should I purchase, with a long grasper, has 4 spring fingers. Do you think that would work?
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How is the compression and rebound damping? How is it when you encounter bumps or potholes?

FInally, was thinking of installing them, should I purchase, with a long grasper, has 4 spring fingers. Do you think that would work?

I am also wondering how cogent product compares.


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Have read all the threads related to those cartridges, but have not seen head to head comparisons, so am asking for feedback.
Both have their proponents, so probably no bad choice, but am trying to buy once and be done, rather than buy twice...
Not sure if this is still on the table, but Ricors have one flow which may or may not be a big deal. The anti-dive valve causes hydraulic lock and can be really harsh if you hit a bump (not pothole, bump) under braking. In 7,000mi riding Intiminators only happened to me once, but this is 100% road. Off-road may be a different story.

The guy who had Ricor, RT GVE and Cogents thinks Ricors are better on-road and GVE off, and Cogent is just better, but I cannot confirm this from personal experience not rushing out to buy Cogent product, and knowing the problem can ride around it. Not sure how DDCs are on the brake dive either.
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Not sure if this is still on the table, but Ricors have one flow which may or may not be a big deal. The anti-dive valve causes hydraulic lock and can be really harsh if you hit a bump (not pothole, bump) under braking. In 7,000mi riding Intiminators only happened to me once, but this is 100% road. Off-road may be a different story.

The guy who had Ricor, RT GVE and Cogents thinks Ricors are better on-road and GVE off, and Cogent is just better, but I cannot confirm this from personal experience not rushing out to buy Cogent product, and knowing the problem can ride around it. Not sure how DDCs are on the brake dive either.
Decided to hold off for now, as front end is pretty good w Sonic springs. No doubt caridges would be an improvement, bUT just not ready to spend $200 plus a few hours at this point.
Thanks for the info.
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