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post #981 of 1007 Old 07-11-2019, 07:32 PM
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I ran PR4 for a while and have nothing but good things to say. I imagine the PR5 is just as good or better. If you want an street tire, that's the winner hands down.

If you want dirt worthy, well then you might have a can of worms...

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I've been a Michelin PR (Pilot Road) fan for years... started w/ the PR2's... (I've tried others in-between, including Shinko, Metzler, Pirelli, Dunlop, etc.)... However, just swapped out the stock for the new Michelin Road 5's... Suffice it to say, after about 400 miles, they're the best Michelin Road tire yet (IMHO)... in the north Ga twisties, and I believe one of the best wet trackers you can buy...

Pricey, but worth every penny...
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I ran PR4 for a while and have nothing but good things to say. I imagine the PR5 is just as good or better. If you want an street tire, that's the winner hands down.

If you want dirt worthy, well then you might have a can of worms...

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Unfortunately, I don't have Pilot Road money, so I'm gonna need something more on the economical side. To give you an idea, I don't even have money for Shinko 705's quite yet, so I'm probably gonna be riding on my current sketchy-treads until my first bike payment.

And, truly, as far as "dirt worthy" is concerned, I don't currently see myself venturing off-road, I just don't want to immediately dump the bike due to poor tire choice if I do, or when I find myself in a dirt, gravel, or grass driveway/parking lot. I mean, I might, and I probably would like it, but right now, the bike is primarily primary transportation.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that I'm looking for tubeless radials only.

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I found the stock Trail Wings to be sticky enough on pavement, wet or dry, and thats an 80-20 tire, but the front cupped badly by 6000 miles. Replaced with Metzler Tourance Next, a 90-10 (or maybe 95-5, IDK), stick great, ok in gravel parking lot and hard packe dirt. However, neither of those are inexpensive. Sounds like the Shinkos are in your price range, and they do get good reviews here, but I have no personal experience with them.
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DH, from reading all the tire threads, seems the reports on the Bridgestone T31 are very positive; excellent street tires and not very expensive. Am considering them, along with their A41 cousins.

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I just picked up a pair of Anakee 3s, they might suit you as well, and they are cheap right now. Some people complain about the front, but it sounds like there's no complaints about the rear, so I might buy an extra one to match with something else later. $120 for 12k miles works for me, but they won't be mounted and tested for another month.
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I don't know how anybody gets that kind of mileage out of a motorcycle tire. I'm very envious. I've owned over 100 bikes, and tried many hundreds of different tires. Even when I've babied the daylights out of the bike to try to maximize mileage, I almost never get much more than 3,500 miles out of a rear tire, and 6,000 miles out of a front. Over decades of riding, that's become my routine. Mount up new tires, when the rear is worn out the front is about 1/2 way worn out, so I replace the rear only. Then another 3,000 miles or so, they both get replaced. I must be a very ham-fisted rider, but no matter the tire brand or type, that's as much mileage as I get out of a tire.

On my DR650 I found good performance and decent mileage with the TrailWing TW22 on the rear. About 3,500 miles, which was pretty good for me. After a couple of those I am now trying a Shinko 705 on the back. I've tried the Heidenau K60 Scout, and a Mitas, convinced that there was a connection between price and wear, but I have not found that to be the case. Same with road bikes, touring bikes, little backroad screamers. I can ride them as hard as I want, or baby the heck out of them, and they all wear out tires at around the 3,000 rear, 6,000 front rate. I can't figure it out. I thought it was speed; that riding 100+ mph was killing my tires (back on a SV1000s, or an F800ST), but they wore the same as my DR650 or DR350 that can't get close to those speeds. So if you have some secret to long tire wear, I'd sure appreciate you sharing it.
I don't know what the "secret" of long life for tires are either. But that being said, I have a log book to document EVERYTHING I do to my bikes. The log shows that I got the following mileage on my tires:

Bike: 2009 DL1000

PR3 front - 23,XXX miles
PR3 rear - 13,9XX miles

Current PR4's that are still on the bike:

PR4 front - 15,3XX miles
PR4 rear - 12,XXX miles

The current PR4's include 5K+ miles from Honduras to Florida in October-November 2018
2K+ mile 80/90 mph mad blast from Lakeland, Florida to Austin, Texas and return in 4 days to watch the COTA MotoGP race in April 2019. Tese two trips were fully loaded panniers, top case, tank bag and my 6'2" 212 lb ass.
The rest of the miles are daily run around and short trips around Florida.

Last I checked a few weeks ago, both tires still have 2mm or more to get down to the wear bars, maybe a little more.

The only care I give to the tires is keeping the pressure at 36 front and 41 rear (+/-) all the time regardless of load, checking it every couple of weeks.

PR5's will go on when these 4's wear out.

Go figure, maybe it's magic?
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I found the stock Trail Wings to be sticky enough on pavement, wet or dry, and thats an 80-20 tire, but the front cupped badly by 6000 miles. Replaced with Metzler Tourance Next, a 90-10 (or maybe 95-5, IDK), stick great, ok in gravel parking lot and hard packe dirt. However, neither of those are inexpensive. Sounds like the Shinkos are in your price range, and they do get good reviews here, but I have no personal experience with them.
Funny, enough, I took a closer look, and my bike actually has shinkos on it, NOW. Go figure! But, it's also ironic that you mention the Metzlers, loco, because I read good things a couple pages back about the regular tourance tires. Considering those, as well.

Also, after seeing a 60/40 tire that looked like a street tire, I've realized the percentage probably means little.

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DH, from reading all the tire threads, seems the reports on the Bridgestone T31 are very positive; excellent street tires and not very expensive. Am considering them, along with their A41 cousins.

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Yep, those look good. On the list, so to speak.

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I just picked up a pair of Anakee 3s, they might suit you as well, and they are cheap right now. Some people complain about the front, but it sounds like there's no complaints about the rear, so I might buy an extra one to match with something else later. $120 for 12k miles works for me, but they won't be mounted and tested for another month.
Wow, that's a hell of a sale right now... Gonna have to ask the bike shop about service costs and scheduling since I don't have ANY of the equipment, myself.

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I don't know what the "secret" of long life for tires are either. But that being said, I have a log book to document EVERYTHING I do to my bikes. The log shows that I got the following mileage on my tires:

Bike: 2009 DL1000

PR3 front - 23,XXX miles
PR3 rear - 13,9XX miles

Current PR4's that are still on the bike:

PR4 front - 15,3XX miles
PR4 rear - 12,XXX miles

The current PR4's include 5K+ miles from Honduras to Florida in October-November 2018
2K+ mile 80/90 mph mad blast from Lakeland, Florida to Austin, Texas and return in 4 days to watch the COTA MotoGP race in April 2019. Tese two trips were fully loaded panniers, top case, tank bag and my 6'2" 212 lb ass.
The rest of the miles are daily run around and short trips around Florida.

Last I checked a few weeks ago, both tires still have 2mm or more to get down to the wear bars, maybe a little more.

The only care I give to the tires is keeping the pressure at 36 front and 41 rear (+/-) all the time regardless of load, checking it every couple of weeks.

PR5's will go on when these 4's wear out.

Go figure, maybe it's magic?
I don't believe in magic, but it's something. I am religious about checking my tire pressures before every ride. I document all my maintenance and mods as well. I just can't figure out the common denominator. For a while I thought it was a lot of high speed riding, but that wouldn't explain the big difference between rear tire wear and front tire wear. They're both going the same speed. I thought it was rear wheel mis-alignment, but the bikes have all tracked true, and I even use a laser alignment tool. The day I get 5K miles out of a rear tire I'm going to keep that bike forever! I do find knobbies or off-road types of tires wear faster for me than road-only tires. But the last Michelin Pilots I had were on my SV1000s, and the rear was showing cords by 3K miles. Maybe someday they'll invent a "fit bit" kind of device for bikes, and they will be able to diagnose it.

"Lay off the throttle, bonehead." or "Ease onto your brakes slower." Something; anything! BTW, I weigh about 170 (or a little less) and most of my riding is just me, nothing else, so it can't be the weight on the tires. It must be tire karma.
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If you had TPMS you would see your rear tires pressure going up much more than your rear if you started anywhere near similar pressures. The rear gets way more weight on it when loaded and riding. On top of that ever bit of the engine's power goes through that rear tire.

As far as laying off the throttle that sure to help. I used the same tires on my DL650's as I do on my DL1000 and got about 50% more mileage on the rear on the 650's. Vs the 1000 and also more on the front tire on the 650's vs the 1000. (Gotta love 4 piston monoblock brakes!)

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Hey, quick question I've been meaning to ask that's been bugging me. In all directional tires on cars, the tread should point in the direction of rotation, but on bikes, that only seems true for the rear, and the fronts appear to be on backwards.

Why is this?

Also, while I'm at it, I actually only need a front tire as my rear is perfectly fine and labeled 2717 rather that the sidewall cracked 3410 front tire. So, another question I have is, is it safe to run different tires front and rear? Because I kinda like the Anakee 3's for being more street oriented and being on sale for similar prices.

If not, I'll just get another Shinko front to match the rear.

OOH, is it okay to go up to a 120 front and 160 rear or nah? (curious, likely not gonna do this)

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