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post #1 of 37 Old 10-25-2016, 03:48 PM Thread Starter
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Question Last minute darkside confirmations: Altimax Arctic, 2012 DL650A

As mentioned in another thread, I ordered and have now received a studded 205/50R17 General Altimax Arctic XL car snow tire, and I plan to mount in on my 2012 DL650A this weekend. This is your chance to save me from wasting a bunch of time, trying to mount this thing myself and discovering it doesn't fit.

My two big concerns at this point are:

1. Most of what I've read about this tire has been from @randyo and I believe he was running an older DL1000. But I have also been given the impression that the amount of clearance from tire to chain was the same in the 650. Can anyone confirm for sure that this is, or is not, true? Does anyone know if there were changes versus the pre-2012 bikes that would cause reduced clearance on a 2012?

(Or, more simply, does anyone know for sure either way whether this tire will fit my bike?)

2. Concern #2 is something randyo mentioned in passing: that his tire guy didn't want to swap the car tire back to a bike tire unless he replaced the wheel. Since this is just for winter (10 miles daily commute on surface roads), I definitely want to swap back in March. Does anyone know if that is a typical problem with car tires? I definitely can't afford a new wheel for this experiment.

I appreciate any specific knowledge that might be floating around out there.

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Subscribed. If it works reasonably well it may be the choice for LD touring.

BTW if you ok at the footage rally guys running snow tires on their cars at WRC level for grip at expense of longevity. Well longevity shouldn't be an issue on 500lbs bike

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Well, I have tried and failed for two weekends to get this darn snow tire on the rim myself. Weekend #1, wheel off bike, existing tire off rim, new tire...not even close to getting on. Weekend #2, was excited to try the zip tie method. Got some super thick and long zip ties. But I couldn't squish the tire enough to bring the edges close together. I used a c-clamp and smooshed it as much as I could before securing the zip tie. The zip ties helped some, but in the end I couldn't get the final 1/4 of the circumference of the tire over the rim.

Again I am spending the first days of the week at the office all sore from the effort.

But every time I'm about to give up, another possibility emerges to taunt me for one more week. In this case, an installer has appeared in the Darkside website installer database, a few towns away from me! I don't know if I just missed it before, or if they are new, but I'm going to get over there this week and will report back.

My other fail was: I got a Shinko knobby for the front and brought it to a guy who studs tires. Or did, up until THE DAY BEFORE when they threw out all their machines, after decades of doing it!! That's just the luck I've been having with this project so far. Good times.
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How are you trying to mount the tire? What equipment are you using?

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I am lucky enuf that I have a good enuf relationship with my dealer, that they installed my tire with their tire machine (and had a hard time, hence the reason the didn't want to me mounting and dismounting it seasonally)

on the Darksiders forum, some guys use ratchet straps to pinch their beads

maybe use a ratchet strap to get the beads touching, then put a zip tie to keep it there, move the ratchet strap, add another zip tie till ya got 9 or 10 of em around the tire

best advice I have is to watch some youtube tire mounting videos

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@Spec I have two metal spoons, rim protectors, an 8" c-clamp, and a bottle of windex. I'm sitting the new tire on the old one to protect the rotor.

@OydnaR : ratchet strap, eh? Good idea, I'm going to try that if I can't get that garage to do it. And thanks for the explanation on dismounting! Yeah, I've watched a bunch of videos, and I had a much easier time dismounting the existing tire as a result. But this big wide snow tire has just been kicking my butt. Did you see the tire I'm using (205/50R17 General Altimax Arctic XL)? Is that the same as what you had? I've been a little nervous about the "XL" part, like that might be adding to my problems, but I didn't see a non-XL version for sale.

My biggest worry is that I'll finally get this thing on and the "XL" will somehow mean it doesn't fit. Well, that is my second biggest worry. #1 is "Having an aneurysm trying to mount this f***** thing myself".
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I feel your pain...I couldn't even get a rear Bridgestone mounted by hand recently, and had to cave in and take it to the shop. I almost had to commit ritual Seppuku with a tire iron in shame.

I was going to suggest small ratchet straps too, but others beat me to it. I've tried the zip tie method but it didn't make it any easier for me than a spoon; maybe the ratchet straps will allow you to pull the tire walls closer together than the zip ties.

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I feel your pain...I couldn't even get a rear Bridgestone mounted by hand recently, and had to cave in and take it to the shop. I almost had to commit ritual Seppuku with a tire iron in shame.
Now imagine needing to do it on the trail to replace punched tube. Makes you wonder what Honda was smoking when they decided to put TT on Africa Twin.
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Now imagine needing to do it on the trail to replace punched tube. Makes you wonder what Honda was smoking when they decided to put TT on Africa Twin.
Yes, but a Battlewing is a radial tubeless tire...the ones on the AT might be easier to mount since they use a tube type tire. I don't know if they have the same stiff sidewall construction.

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Yes, but a Battlewing is a radial tubeless tire...the ones on the AT might be easier to mount since they use a tube type tire. I don't know if they have the same stiff sidewall construction.
Depends. Some TT tires are as stiff. The softer ones are usually don't last.
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